[All] Undecided -Liberals currently in second place

Sat Oct 19 09:03:40 EDT 2019

Thanks for the response. I'm well aware of that Lori.  Check out CBC poll tracker for the best info and analysis of the polls.  Strategic voting as a tactic varies depending on the riding.  You can go to elections canada for exact results in the 2015 elect for each riding - as well as each individual polling station. that gives you a base to start with (Libs got 49% in Waterloo last time) I would vote differently myself if i lived in different ridings.  I've made my political donations to 3 different parties in 5  key ridings to make sure that 5 candidates who I think are particularly important have the best chance to win (eg, Charlie Angus in Timmins-James Bay).

-Greg

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From: strothjkl at sympatico.ca <strothjkl at sympatico.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 6:31:07 PM
To: Gregory C. Michalenko; 'Kevin Thomason'; 'Eleanor Grant'
Cc: GREN
Subject: RE: [All] Undecided -Liberals currently in second place

Just so you know, a friend of our works for the Liberal Party and he said right now, according to some numbers they are watching very closely, the Liberals are in second place, so it very well could be a Conservative government. Just letting you know so that you can decide what you want to do – another 4 years (or 10 years) of doing nothing on the environment at all, and even negative steps to detract from environmental protections like Stephen Harper did,  is a strong  possibility. Whether the other parties ( NDP and/or Greens) can or will decide to help the Liberals in the  house if they end up with less seats than the Conservatives  remains to be seen. He said that so many  people are voting NDP And Green that is taking votes away from the Liberals, which is peoples’ right to do so, but we have to look at what we end up with. You have seen what Doug Ford has done to Ontario. The Mayor of Vancouver is saying Scheer will be worse than Harper.  Personally I had to vote Liberal, like or not.

Lori S.

From: Gregory C. Michalenko <gcmichalenko at uwaterloo.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 1:33 PM
To: Kevin Thomason <kevinthomason at mac.com>; Lori Strothard <strothjkl at sympatico.ca>; Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [All] Undecided

I'm in Montreal until Sunday.  Here's another take on how to vote:  A shopowner of 60 years urged me to vote Liberal because Trudeau's the richest candidate and the rich make the most honest leaders because their wealth immunizes them from being prone to bribery.He then said that our western civilization owes everything to the Christian Orthodox of Damascus and Putin will save us from all the rotten things that are happening in the mid east.  So wrap your heads around that one before you head to the ballet box.

The Green Party candidate in the riding I'm in here is, appropriately, Mr. Green.

I will vote Green - I want to acknowledge the bare fact that we are in a crisis and they are most directly addressing it.  I have voted strategically so many times and, in my advanced age, am weary of it this time.

- Gregoire M.

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From: All <all-bounces at gren.ca<mailto:all-bounces at gren.ca>> on behalf of Kevin Thomason <kevinthomason at mac.com<mailto:kevinthomason at mac.com>>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 11:38 PM
To: Lori Strothard; Eleanor Grant
Cc: GREN
Subject: Re: [All] Undecided

Hi Eleanor and Lori,

Excellent questions and points.  I would agree that the anti-environmental Conservatives nationally, inconjunction with Doug Ford, Brad Wall and Jason Kenney would be a disaster for the environment that our country might never recover from given the speed our climate is changing.

Lori, I agree that the Liberals need strong support and Eleanor, I think your approach of looking at things riding by riding has merit too.  While the Liberals didn’t do enough on the environment in their first three years in power, this past year they have made some impressive progress on Protected Places and meeting out 2020 Achii targets for marine and land protection, finally introducing EV incentives, etc..  Most importantly, they have outlined a really strong environmental agenda for the years ahead.  Places like Waterloo where Bardish Chagger (Liberal) is such as strong candidate it likely makes sense for citizens to do all that they can to ensure that she returns to Ottawa.

Other ridings such as Kitchener-Centre where Mike Morrice (Green) is poised to hopefully become the first Green Party MP outside of British Columbia could also be very important.  Mike Morrice could have a tremendous impact similar to how Mike Schreiner provincially has had such an incredible impact as the only Green MPP.

Ridings such as Kitchener-Conestoga where the Conservatives won by only 251 votes in the last election could also be very important.  With the rapidly changing demographics of the riding there is a good chance that Harold Albrecht (Conservative) could lose his seat, though he is counting on the NDP, Liberals and Greens splitting the vote in such a manner that he is returned to Ottawa.  Somehow with this riding already enduring Mike Harris Jr. we need to ensure a better outcome and more environmental awareness federally.

Overall, it is unfortunate that according to many recent polls we could be fighting endless cuts and issues from a Conservative Prime Minister for the next four years - we don’t have four more years with our current climate crisis.  We all need to be doing everything that we can in the next week to get the best people elected and as many people to the polls as possible - particularly younger Canadians who tend to have the lowest voting rates but have the most to lose in the decades ahead as they will be trying to survive the climate crisis long after we are all gone.

Cheers,
Kevin.

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On Oct 17, 2019, at 10:37 PM, strothjkl at sympatico.ca<mailto:strothjkl at sympatico.ca> wrote:

Its such a close race, nothing is for sure, and every vote matters right now…all I know is I definately don’t want the anti-environmental Conservatives,  therefore I’m voting Liberal, although in a better voting system I would vote Green. Like them or not, The Liberals need as many votes as they can get right now or else we will have a Conservative government. Already many bots have been detected trying to sway the vote to favour Conservatives, so Canada’s democratic and pro climate change action future is at stake.

Lori S.

From: All <all-bounces at gren.ca<mailto:all-bounces at gren.ca>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Grant
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 1:58 PM
To: GREN2 <All at gren.ca<mailto:All at gren.ca>>
Subject: [All] Undecided

Maybe I shouldn't put this on the GREN list, but I'm wondering if others are still undecided between NDP and Green, as I am. What guiding principles helped you decide?

I generally say "Know your riding". Thus, Kit Centre - Green; Toronto-Danforth - NDP. (And even Regina-Wascana - Liberal, to keep Ralph Goodale's seat from going Con.)
But Waterloo is probably a safe Liberal seat.
So I listened to my local candidates, and still have no preference.

Pros and cons:
-Lori Campbell NDP is endorsed by 350.org<http://350.org/> ("Our Time").
-Greens rightly called out NDP on fracking. I'm dismayed by BC premier Horgan's approval of the LNG terminal, which will promote expansion of fracking in BC.
-Even worse are Horgan's support for Site C (which will flood prime farmland in the Peace and sacred Indigenous sites) *and* the clear-cutting of old-growth rainforest in the BC interior.
How much should I be guided by a provincial NDP's record? (And the Greens were afraid to withdraw their support from the gov't over Site C.)
-I also don't like the tone of the bickering between NDP and Greens, tho the Greens have been more gracious.
-Serious missteps by Eliz May early in the campaign, but on the debate stage she's the only leader who knows her stuff.

I guess I can see where I'm leaning. But I'd like to know how some of you went about deciding, or what you think I haven't considered.

Happy E-Day,

Eleanor

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