[All] Undecided -Liberals currently in second place

Sat Oct 19 09:00:54 EDT 2019

Thanks to all the points raised. We are talking to the converted in this
group!

Listening to the U of W debates last week, I was impressed with the
Waterloo NDP candidate, Lori Campbell,
who will certainly get the indigenous vote, but I think the fact that
Bardish is well known and has experience is likely to bring a Liberal win
in this riding.

Like Greg, I am fed up voting strategically and want it known that there
are a considerable number of voters who are Green at heart and seriously
concerned about climate change, so this time my vote definitely goes to the
Greens.
Anne Morgan

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 6:31 PM <strothjkl at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Just so you know, a friend of our works for the Liberal Party and he said
> right now, according to some numbers they are watching very closely, the
> Liberals are in second place, so it very well could be a Conservative
> government. Just letting you know so that you can decide what you want to
> do – *another 4 years (or 10 years) of doing nothing on the environment
> at all, and even negative steps to detract from environmental protections
> like Stephen Harper did,  is a strong  possibility.* Whether the other
> parties ( NDP and/or Greens) can or will decide to help the Liberals in
> the  house if they end up with less seats than the Conservatives  remains
> to be seen. He said that so many  people are voting NDP And Green that is
> taking votes away from the Liberals, which is peoples’ right to do so, but
> we have to look at what we end up with. You have seen what Doug Ford has
> done to Ontario. The Mayor of Vancouver is saying Scheer will be worse than
> Harper.  Personally I had to vote Liberal, like or not.
>
>
>
> Lori S.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gregory C. Michalenko <gcmichalenko at uwaterloo.ca>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2019 1:33 PM
> *To:* Kevin Thomason <kevinthomason at mac.com>; Lori Strothard <
> strothjkl at sympatico.ca>; Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [All] Undecided
>
>
>
> I'm in Montreal until Sunday.  Here's another take on how to vote:  A
> shopowner of 60 years urged me to vote Liberal because Trudeau's the
> richest candidate and the rich make the most honest leaders because their
> wealth immunizes them from being prone to bribery.He then said that our
> western civilization owes everything to the Christian Orthodox of Damascus
> and Putin will save us from all the rotten things that are happening in the
> mid east.  So wrap your heads around that one before you head to the ballet
> box.
>
>
>
> The Green Party candidate in the riding I'm in here is, appropriately, Mr.
> Green.
>
>
>
> I will vote Green - I want to acknowledge the bare fact that we are in a
> crisis and they are most directly addressing it.  I have voted
> strategically so many times and, in my advanced age, am weary of it this
> time.
>
>
>
> - Gregoire M.
>
>
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> *From:* All <all-bounces at gren.ca> on behalf of Kevin Thomason <
> kevinthomason at mac.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2019 11:38 PM
> *To:* Lori Strothard; Eleanor Grant
> *Cc:* GREN
> *Subject:* Re: [All] Undecided
>
>
>
> Hi Eleanor and Lori,
>
>
>
> Excellent questions and points.  I would agree that the anti-environmental
> Conservatives nationally, inconjunction with Doug Ford, Brad Wall and Jason
> Kenney would be a disaster for the environment that our country might never
> recover from given the speed our climate is changing.
>
>
>
> Lori, I agree that the Liberals need strong support and Eleanor, I think
> your approach of looking at things riding by riding has merit too.  While
> the Liberals didn’t do enough on the environment in their first three years
> in power, this past year they have made some impressive progress on
> Protected Places and meeting out 2020 Achii targets for marine and land
> protection, finally introducing EV incentives, etc..  Most importantly,
> they have outlined a really strong environmental agenda for the years
> ahead.  Places like Waterloo where Bardish Chagger (Liberal) is such as
> strong candidate it likely makes sense for citizens to do all that they can
> to ensure that she returns to Ottawa.
>
>
>
> Other ridings such as Kitchener-Centre where Mike Morrice (Green) is
> poised to hopefully become the first Green Party MP outside of British
> Columbia could also be very important.  Mike Morrice could have a
> tremendous impact similar to how Mike Schreiner provincially has had such
> an incredible impact as the only Green MPP.
>
>
>
> Ridings such as Kitchener-Conestoga where the Conservatives won by only
> 251 votes in the last election could also be very important.  With the
> rapidly changing demographics of the riding there is a good chance that
> Harold Albrecht (Conservative) could lose his seat, though he is counting
> on the NDP, Liberals and Greens splitting the vote in such a manner that he
> is returned to Ottawa.  Somehow with this riding already enduring Mike
> Harris Jr. we need to ensure a better outcome and more environmental
> awareness federally.
>
>
>
> Overall, it is unfortunate that according to many recent polls we could be
> fighting endless cuts and issues from a Conservative Prime Minister for the
> next four years - we don’t have four more years with our current climate
> crisis.  We all need to be doing everything that we can in the next week to
> get the best people elected and as many people to the polls as possible -
> particularly younger Canadians who tend to have the lowest voting rates but
> have the most to lose in the decades ahead as they will be trying to
> survive the climate crisis long after we are all gone.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kevin.
>
>
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>
> Kevin Thomason
>
> 1115 Cedar Grove Road
> Waterloo, Ontario Canada  N2J 3Z4
>
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>
> On Oct 17, 2019, at 10:37 PM, strothjkl at sympatico.ca wrote:
>
>
>
> Its such a close race, nothing is for sure, and every vote matters right
> now…all I know is I definately don’t want the anti-environmental
> Conservatives,  therefore I’m voting Liberal, although in a better voting
> system I would vote Green. Like them or not, The Liberals need as many
> votes as they can get right now or else we will have a Conservative
> government. Already many bots have been detected trying to sway the vote to
> favour Conservatives, so Canada’s democratic and pro climate change action
> future is at stake.
>
>
>
> Lori S.
>
>
>
> *From:* All <all-bounces at gren.ca> *On Behalf Of *Eleanor Grant
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2019 1:58 PM
> *To:* GREN2 <All at gren.ca>
> *Subject:* [All] Undecided
>
>
>
> Maybe I shouldn't put this on the GREN list, but I'm wondering if others
> are still undecided between NDP and Green, as I am. What guiding principles
> helped you decide?
>
>
>
> I generally say "Know your riding". Thus, Kit Centre - Green;
> Toronto-Danforth - NDP. (And even Regina-Wascana - Liberal, to keep Ralph
> Goodale's seat from going Con.)
>
> But Waterloo is probably a safe Liberal seat.
>
> So I listened to my local candidates, and still have no preference.
>
>
>
> Pros and cons:
>
> -Lori Campbell NDP is endorsed by 350.org ("Our Time").
>
> -Greens rightly called out NDP on fracking. I'm dismayed by BC premier
> Horgan's approval of the LNG terminal, which will promote expansion of
> fracking in BC.
>
> -Even worse are Horgan's support for Site C (which will flood prime
> farmland in the Peace and sacred Indigenous sites) *and* the clear-cutting
> of old-growth rainforest in the BC interior.
>
> How much should I be guided by a provincial NDP's record? (And the Greens
> were afraid to withdraw their support from the gov't over Site C.)
>
> -I also don't like the tone of the bickering between NDP and Greens, tho
> the Greens have been more gracious.
>
> -Serious missteps by Eliz May early in the campaign, but on the debate
> stage she's the only leader who knows her stuff.
>
>
>
> I guess I can see where I'm leaning. But I'd like to know how some of you
> went about deciding, or what you think I haven't considered.
>
>
>
> Happy E-Day,
>
>
>
> Eleanor
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