[All] Fwd: Re: CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional WaterlooLight Rail Transit - January 18
Norah & Richard
nrchaloner at hotmail.com
Wed Jan 12 10:54:47 EST 2011
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Subject: Re: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional
WaterlooLight Rail Transit - January 18
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:54:02 -0500
From: Norah & Richard <nrchaloner at hotmail.com>
To: jandonrob at golden.net
Thank you Susan and Don, What is happening to transit in your area will
undoubtedly set a precedent for good or ill that will affect Guelph and
area. We drag along after others have done spade work. So the network
exists whether we agree on how well it works or not. Thanks to all for
keeping the dialogue going and sharing so much information on many
issues ( Lulu take a bow) since it fuels the enviro groups in our
area. Can't get to the next couple of meetings but will keep in touch.
Norah
On 11/01/2011 4:24 PM, jandonrob at golden.net wrote:
> Hello Susan
> Your "two bits" are worth a lot more than that. You have expressed
> the fundamental concept of GREN in concise clear terms. If we are to
> make informed decisions and commitments, we need information. That
> seemed to be the purpose of this upcoming meeting from the outset.
> Debate is more appropriate when there is a motion on the floor, and
> a decision must be made.
> I regret that once again I have a scheduling conflict and will not
> be able to attend the meeting, but I will await the minutes and follow
> the outcome closely.
> Your ability to come to the point clearly and directly, and then to
> express it succinctly, is admirable. Good work.
> Regards
> Don Roberts
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Susan Koswan <mailto:dandelion at gto.net>
> *To:* 'gren' <mailto:all at gren.ca>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:12 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional
> WaterlooLight Rail Transit - January 18
>
> What we do with public transportation affects us all in terms of
> reducing air pollution, affecting climate change, what the Region
> looks like in 20, 30 years, etc. All GREN members do not work on
> the same issues which, to me, is the true nature of a network.
> GREN members work on their particular area of interest. GREN
> exists to share our experiences and support each other. Networks
> fall apart when the infighting begins. What's that line from Pogo
> -- I have seen the enemy and it is us -- or something like that.
> Just because we disagree doesn't mean we need to change the goals
> we set for ourselves.
>
> And Randy, you have brought the issue of expanding our network
> many times, but I have yet to see a plan from you or anyone who is
> willing to take this on.
>
> My 2 bits.
>
> Susan K
>
> *From:*randybmclean at rogers.com [mailto:randybmclean at rogers.com]
> *Sent:* January-11-11 9:02 AM
> *To:* 'Susan Koswan'; 'gren'
> *Subject:* RE: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional
> Waterloo Light Rail Transit - January 18
>
> Susan:
>
> If GREN's mission statement is truly what you say then why are we
> focusing on the LRT for KW and perhaps Cambridge. The Grand
> covers a meandering distance from north of Shelborne to Port
> Maitland. GREN has a long way to go before it can call itself a
> NETWORK.
>
> How can I, or anyone outside KW, expect to get involved or even
> see a connection between what GREN's mission statement is "That
> means finding common ground, common goals for the improvement of
> the environment in the Grand River watershed" and the LRT for
> Kitchener/Waterloo?
>
> The Grand River watershed interacts with 11 counties and 1
> Aboriginal Nation area. In the interest of being fair why not
> investigate topics that are common to everyone in the watershed
> and not just a few urbanites?
>
> Randy
>
> Ps I understand where Robert is coming from.
>
> *From:*all-bounces at gren.ca [mailto:all-bounces at gren.ca] *On Behalf
> Of *Susan Koswan
> *Sent:* January-11-11 8:06 AM
> *To:* 'gren'
> *Subject:* Re: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional
> Waterloo Light Rail Transit - January 18
>
> Cool the vitriol, Robert and don't jump to any conclusions,
>
> GREN's "mission" is to work with like-minded groups and
> individuals -- NETWORK, remember? That means finding common
> ground, common goals for the improvement of the environment in the
> Grand River watershed. We know how much work and research you have
> invested into the LRT and value the commitment you've made, but
> you know that the end product will not include all the cutting
> edge stuff. The Region will go with what has proven reliable and
> successful and there will be compromises.
>
> No one is stepping on your democratic toes here -- I merely
> forwarded Tim's suggestion for the agenda. Whether the questions
> are written or oral, there will be ample time for discussion. Our
> goal is to pick Jeff Casello's brain for why he thinks an LRT is
> the best option, what he thinks we should do as a group to move
> this issue forward and to dispel any misinformation about the
> project. It is NOT to spend the time debating issues of democracy.
>
> Susan K
>
> *From:*Robert Milligan [mailto:mill at continuum.org]
> *Sent:* January-10-11 11:28 PM
> *To:* Susan Koswan
> *Cc:* 'gren'
> *Subject:* Re: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional
> Waterloo Light Rail Transit - January 18
>
> I strongly disagree with the concept of written questions because
> it is a very undemocratic form of hunman interaction. New
> meeting-processes should never be introduced unless the whole
> group is consulted!
>
> Why is it being done? Does the professor feel insecure?
>
> Your efficiency rationale, "this will cut unnecessary time out of
> the structured QA session",
> takes human expression out the communication. It's something like
> a prayer to a high & mighty God who may or may not answer.
> Although with such a prayer you have a choice to speak it or
> silently communicate.
>
> I see no place for the displacement of spoken questions at any
> valid public meeting!
>
> On second thought, maybe all our meetings could use this approach
> in which we submit questions to John and he decides which ones
> will be answered and who he will permit to answer them. Certainly
> 30 minute meetings will save us all a lot of time.
>
> Our society needs more democracy in our meetings, not less!!!
>
> Robert
>
> PS: Are GRENERS aware that TriTAG -- until Mollison made some very
> impractical suggestions -- has been reluctant to attempt to
> improve the Region's RTI
>
> Plan? They said it was counter-productive.
>
> On 10-Jan-11, at 10:47 PM, Susan Koswan wrote:
>
> Hi GRENers,
>
> *_CHANGE OF VENUE FOR JAN. 18 GREN MEETING RE LRT_*
>
> When we contacted TriTAG (pro-LRT) to tell them about our meeting,
> they had already scheduled theirs for the same night. Since they
> could not change their location, we agreed to combine our meetings
> and join them at Whole-Lot-A-Gelata on King St located at 120 King
> St. S. Waterloo 519-884-5760http://www.wholelotagelata.com/index.html
>
> Agenda as follows:
>
> 7:30-7:40 introduction: information about initiatives, how to sign
> up, speaker
>
> 7:40-8:10 presentation by Mr. J. Casello
>
> 8:10-8:30 written questions delivered by moderator (this will cut
> unnecessary time out of the structured QA session; I can print forms)
>
> 8:30-8:40 closing: recommended actions, information about
> recurring meetings for GREN and TriTAG
>
> 8:40-9:00 open discussion and opportunities to mingle
>
> Susan K
>
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