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<td>Re: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional
WaterlooLight Rail Transit - January 18</td>
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<td>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:54:02 -0500</td>
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<td>Norah & Richard <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nrchaloner@hotmail.com"><nrchaloner@hotmail.com></a></td>
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Thank you Susan and Don, What is happening to transit in your area
will undoubtedly set a precedent for good or ill that will affect
Guelph and area. We drag along after others have done spade work. So
the network exists whether we agree on how well it works or not.
Thanks to all for keeping the dialogue going and sharing so much
information on many issues ( Lulu take a bow) since it fuels the
enviro groups in our area. Can't get to the next couple of
meetings but will keep in touch.<br>
Norah <br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hello Susan</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"> Your "two bits" are worth a lot
more than that. You have expressed the fundamental concept of
GREN in concise clear terms. If we are to make informed
decisions and commitments, we need information. That seemed to
be the purpose of this upcoming meeting from the outset.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"> Debate is more appropriate when
there is a motion on the floor, and a decision must be made.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"> I regret that once again I have
a scheduling conflict and will not be able to attend the
meeting, but I will await the minutes and follow the outcome
closely.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"> Your ability to come to the
point clearly and directly, and then to express it succinctly,
is admirable. Good work.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"> Regards</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">
Don Roberts</font></div>
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0% rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="dandelion@gto.net"
href="mailto:dandelion@gto.net">Susan Koswan</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="all@gren.ca"
href="mailto:all@gren.ca">'gren'</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 11,
2011 9:12 AM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [All] CHANGE
OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional WaterlooLight Rail Transit -
January 18</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">What we do with public transportation
affects us all in terms of reducing air pollution,
affecting climate change, what the Region looks like in
20, 30 years, etc. All GREN members do not work on the
same issues which, to me, is the true nature of a network.
GREN members work on their particular area of interest.
GREN exists to share our experiences and support each
other. Networks fall apart when the infighting begins.
What’s that line from Pogo – I have seen the enemy and it
is us – or something like that. Just because we disagree
doesn’t mean we need to change the goals we set for
ourselves. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">And Randy, you have brought the issue of
expanding our network many times, but I have yet to see a
plan from you or anyone who is willing to take this on. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">My 2 bits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Susan K<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size:
10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:randybmclean@rogers.com">randybmclean@rogers.com</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:randybmclean@rogers.com">mailto:randybmclean@rogers.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> January-11-11 9:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Susan Koswan'; 'gren'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING
- Regional Waterloo Light Rail Transit - January 18<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Susan:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">If GREN’s mission statement is truly
what you say then why are we focusing on the LRT for KW
and perhaps Cambridge. The Grand covers a meandering
distance from north of Shelborne to Port Maitland. GREN
has a long way to go before it can call itself a NETWORK.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">How can I, or anyone outside KW, expect
to get involved or even see a connection between what
GREN’s mission statement is “That means finding common
ground, common goals for the improvement of the
environment in the Grand River watershed” and the LRT for
Kitchener/Waterloo?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">The Grand River watershed interacts with
11 counties and 1 Aboriginal Nation area. In the interest
of being fair why not investigate topics that are common
to everyone in the watershed and not just a few urbanites?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Randy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Ps I understand where Robert is coming
from.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size:
10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:all-bounces@gren.ca">all-bounces@gren.ca</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Koswan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> January-11-11 8:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'gren'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING
- Regional Waterloo Light Rail Transit - January 18<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Cool the vitriol, Robert and don’t jump
to any conclusions,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">GREN’s “mission” is to work with
like-minded groups and individuals – NETWORK, remember?
That means finding common ground, common goals for the
improvement of the environment in the Grand River
watershed. We know how much work and research you have
invested into the LRT and value the commitment you’ve
made, but you know that the end product will not include
all the cutting edge stuff. The Region will go with what
has proven reliable and successful and there will be
compromises.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">No one is stepping on your democratic
toes here – I merely forwarded Tim’s suggestion for the
agenda. Whether the questions are written or oral, there
will be ample time for discussion. Our goal is to pick
Jeff Casello’s brain for why he thinks an LRT is the best
option, what he thinks we should do as a group to move
this issue forward and to dispel any misinformation about
the project. It is NOT to spend the time debating issues
of democracy. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;">Susan K <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size: 10pt;"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size:
10pt;" lang="EN-US"> Robert Milligan [<a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:mill@continuum.org">mailto:mill@continuum.org</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> January-10-11 11:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Susan Koswan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'gren'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING
- Regional Waterloo Light Rail Transit - January 18<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I strongly disagree with the concept of
written questions because it is a very undemocratic form of
hunman interaction. New meeting-processes should never be
introduced unless the whole group is consulted!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Why is it being done? Does the
professor feel insecure?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your efficiency rationale, "<span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif';">this will cut unnecessary
time out of the structured QA session</span></span><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family:
'Helvetica','sans-serif'; font-size: 13.5pt;">",
takes human expression out the communication. It's something like
a prayer to a high & mighty God who may or may
not answer. Although with such a prayer you have a
choice to speak it or silently communicate.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span
style="font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif';
font-size: 13.5pt;">I see no place for the
displacement of spoken questions at any valid public
meeting!</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span
style="font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif';
font-size: 13.5pt;">On second thought, maybe all our
meetings could use this approach in which we submit
questions to John and he decides which ones will be
answered and who he will permit to answer them.
Certainly 30 minute meetings will save us all a lot
of time.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Helvetica','sans-serif';">Our society needs more
democracy in our meetings, not less!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Robert<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">PS: Are GRENERS aware that TriTAG
-- until Mollison made some very impractical
suggestions -- has been reluctant to attempt to
improve the Region's RTI<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Plan? They said it was
counter-productive.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10-Jan-11, at 10:47 PM,
Susan Koswan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">Hi
GRENers,</span><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;"> </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span
style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">CHANGE
OF VENUE FOR JAN. 18 GREN MEETING RE
LRT</span></u></b><span style="color:
black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;"> </span><span
style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">When
we contacted TriTAG (pro-LRT) to tell them
about our meeting, they had already
scheduled theirs for the same night. Since
they could not change their location, we
agreed to combine our meetings and join
them at Whole-Lot-A-Gelata on King St
located at 120 King St. S. Waterloo
519-884-5760<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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href="http://www.wholelotagelata.com/index.html"><span
style="color: windowtext;">http://www.wholelotagelata.com/index.html</span></a></span><span
style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;"> </span><span
style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">Agenda
as follows:</span><span style="color:
black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;"> </span><span
style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">7:30-7:40
introduction: information about
initiatives, how to sign up, speaker</span><span
style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">7:40-8:10
presentation by Mr. J. Casello</span><span
style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">8:10-8:30
written questions delivered by moderator
(this will cut unnecessary time out of the
structured QA session; I can print forms)</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: black;">8:30-8:40
closing: recommended actions, information
about recurring meetings for GREN and
TriTAG</span><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
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open discussion and opportunities to
mingle</span><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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K</span><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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