[All] Fwd: t4st

[Robert Milligan]

Hi All,

FYI

Robert



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Robert Milligan <mill at continuum.org>
> Date: October 24, 2009 2:20:39 AM GMT-04:00
> To: "Haworth, Ruth" <Ruth.Haworth at tdsecurities.com>
> Cc: Peter Gay <peter.gay at verico.ca>
> Subject: Re: t4st
>
> Hi Ruth,
>
> I was most impressed by this statement in your Oct. 19 letter to the  
> Editor, ".. as currently planned, light rail transit will cause  
> grave problems
> for our community". I very much agree with this. However, your group  
> does not seem to propose any ways to improve the LRT plan so that it  
> is better designed to meet your interference, cost, etc. concerns --  
> this is an easy abdication of T4ST's talents if you & Peter are any  
> indication. Certainly the credibility of T4ST would be enhanced if  
> you added a dimension of constructive criticism in which you propose  
> ideas to better the existing LRT plan so that it more optimally  
> meets your concerns and hopes. That such an approach is possible is  
> suggested by: "... Mr. Haydon's well thought out suggestions to  
> overall improvement of LRT" (http://communities.canada.com/ottawacitizen/blogs/bulldog/archive/2009/10/06/good-words-for-andy-haydon.aspx 
> ). And ignoring the great benefits of an integrated LRT/bus system  
> etc. leaves the impression that T4ST is just another angry NIMBY  
> group who cares little about the greater net social and  
> environmental benefits of well-designed rapid rail over rapid bus. I  
> could have helped to give your group a very creative and  
> constructive dimension.
>
> I certainly appreciated my discussions with you then Peter Gay, P.  
> Eng. I had hoped to continue those discussions with both of you.  
> Likely you and Peter had a chat and decided to exclude me from  
> involvement. This seems to be an admission that you are not a public  
> interest group but a somewhat close-minded propaganda group as James  
> Bow suggests below -- I hope not. I will attend with interest your  
> Nov. 5 "Andy Haydon Talk" public meeting as I have had extensive  
> experience with the very uncomfortable Ottawa bus system. Keep in  
> mind that Ottawa/Gatineau area has little to compare to W-K-C.
>
> I would be more than willing to have a further conversation with you  
> to reach a better mutual understanding.  And I certainly prefer  
> being better informed and persuaded towards more viable views.
>
> Possibly both you and Peter might benefit from exploring the similar  
> new business concepts of Triple Bottom Line and 3P. As a former  
> Business
> Systems Analyst I appreciate how these new concepts enable those  
> involved with business (& government) to better see how  cognizance  
> of the relationship between economic, environmental & social factors  
> helps their organization to function more optimally -- including the  
> evaluation of
> projects.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Robert (519-696-2288)
>
> PS: http://www.friendsoftheotrain.org/node/135 (Both the local Grand  
> River Environmental Network and Transport 2000 strongly support  
> rapid rail.)
>        http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=91323ba6-c9e8-467f-94d6-6aa9c271c914 
>  (Seems inconsistent with his above more constructive statement --  
> almost a rant with no apparent appreciation of a research-based  
> critique.)
>        http://www.waterloowellingtonblogs.org/index.shtml (James Bow  
> writes very well.)
>
>
> On 23-Oct-09, at 10:59 AM, Haworth, Ruth wrote:
>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> Sorry I didn't get back to you. I'm working in Toronto and it's a  
>> bit odd. I work in an open area and can't get to a phone easily,  
>> and don't have a phone where I'm staying.
>>
>> Anyway, I wanted to say in response to your call that the group  
>> T4ST might not be for you because we have a very clear mandate that  
>> we have all agreed on and that we have formalized, and it is to  
>> promote buses and to stop the LRT. We are very committed, have  
>> raised money, have collected hundreds of signatures on petitions,  
>> are running ads and distributing flyers and giving interviews to  
>> media and so on.
>>
>> The meeting I told you about on Saturday is probably not a good one  
>> for you to attend. It is a planning meeting, and we are extremely  
>> busy at the moment planning our public forum on Nov 5. The Saturday  
>> meeting is not a place to debate the merits of running the LRT down  
>> Park Street. We are always looking for new members, but only ones  
>> who want to promote the bus option.
>>
>> I hope you'll come out to the Andy Haydon talk on Nov 5 though.
>>
>> See you then,
>> Ruth
>>
>>
>>
>>
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