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Hi<br>
I host The Agriculture Show on CKMS radio (the old university
station) <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.soundfm.ca">www.soundfm.ca</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://soundfm.ca/audio/by/genre/talk_agriculture">http://soundfm.ca/audio/by/genre/talk_agriculture</a><br>
You are welcome to come in and do a show.<br>
We can talk about what you are doing, and then in respect of the
wishes of the program sponsors we need to talk about how your
interests intersect with the interests of the primary producer.<br>
jeff stager<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/26/2013 1:00 PM, John Jackson
wrote:<br>
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<title>Re: [All] "Under the Influence" re: OMB Forces Urban Sprawl
on Waterloo Region</title>
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style="font-size:11pt">I think our first step is to get a
meeting with the Regional Planning people to brief us to
further explore the implications of this decision and how it
fits into the future OMB decisions, etc . I will e-mail the
planning people this weekend and follow up with a phone call
on Tuesday if I haven’t heard back by then.<br>
<br>
Daphne, you just mentioned CBC Radio. The new CBC radio
station in downtown Kitchener starts up on March 11. I am sure
we want to do stuff before that, but it is one additional
useful outlet for us in the near future.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
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On 13-01-26 12:20 PM, "Daphne NICHOLLS" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="gordanddaph@sympatico.ca">gordanddaph@sympatico.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="Comic Sans
MS">Hi All,<br>
I just listened CBC's Terry O'Reilly's "Under the
Influence", (formerly The Age of Persuasion). The topic was
(is) why radio is a survivor. I encourage you ttake 30
minutes to listen to it:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.cbc.ca/.../Radio/Under=the=Influence/">www.cbc.ca/.../Radio/Under=the=Influence/</a> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cbc.ca/.../Radio/Under=the=Influence/">http://www.cbc.ca/.../Radio/Under=the=Influence/</a>>
. There might be an opportunity to rally local stations to
broadcase some kind of message about the importance of firm
urban boundaries. There were some wonderfully innovative
ideas from around the world! Once we get the message from
Regional Staff, we can make plans.<br>
Daphne<br>
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<hr size="3" width="100%" align="CENTER">From: <a
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 00:24:15 -0500<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="frind@uwaterloo.ca">frind@uwaterloo.ca</a><br>
CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="franhatch@rogers.com">franhatch@rogers.com</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="all@gren.ca">all@gren.ca</a>;
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Subject: Re: [All] OMB Forces Urban Sprawl on Waterloo
Region<br>
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</font><font face="Arial">I agree with Emil. A show of force
and some pressure at the provincial level is essential
(maybe Catherine Fife could be an ally here).<br>
</font><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <br>
</font><font face="Arial">I'm not sure what can be done now
that this decision has been made -- perhaps we should
encourage the Region to take this further, and hope they can
pull something together that will convince a higher court to
hear the case. <br>
</font><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <br>
I do think this calls for a group meeting with Regional
staff so that we clearly understand the implications of this
decision, and the next steps.<br>
<br>
Deb Swidrovich<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Emil Frind <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="frind@uwaterloo.ca">frind@uwaterloo.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <br>
Hi All,<br>
<br>
I hope that folks understand the potential implications of
this decision. Although this is only an interim decision,
it opens the foodgate to more urban sprawl. Where would
these 1000 ha come from? The worst possible outcome for
the Region would be the paving over of the primary Moraine
recharge areas just to the west of Wilmot Line. This could
compromise the Moraine water source in a major way. <br>
<br>
At present, the Region has been quite successful in
managing our water source, and with continuing water
conservation and prudent management, a pipeline might
never be needed. But with the primary recharge choked off,
our groundwater could decline both in quantity and in
quality. This would soon force us into the pipeline
option. 25 years ago, when the pipeline first came up, its
cost was estimated at 1/2 billion, now you can figure on a
multiple of that - probably well over a billion, maybe
two. Who would pay? The taxpayer of course. Believe me,
compared to the cost of the pipeline, the LRT is peanuts.
There is also the quality issue - who would like to drink
Lake Erie water?<br>
<br>
It's ironic that on one hand, the Province encourages
intensification by paying for some of the LRT cost, but on
the other hand it encourages urban sprawl. Makes no sense.
The Places-to-Grow Act was forced down our throats without
consideration of the limits of our local natural
resources, and without any serious attempt of community
consultation (I was asked to comment, but my comments were
ignored). This is not democracy, it is dictatorship.<br>
<br>
I did technical assessments for both Site 41 and the
Melancthon megaquarry, both times concluding that the site
is not suitable for the purpose intended. But in the end
it was not technical arguments, but raw people power that
defeated these projects. So it looks like this is the way
to go here as well. Make the powers understand that this
is not the will of the community. This might be a good
time to put some pressure on the candidates for political
office. The OMB Act needs an overhaul urgently. <br>
<br>
Best, <br>
<br>
Emil Frind.<br>
<br>
<br>
Kevin Thomason wrote:<br>
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Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Yvonne,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you for the follow up and for seeking out
additional information from all the right people.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I would agree from reading the decision and trying to
interpret all the information and opinions that indeed
this is just an interim decision in a much longer, and
complex three phase OMB hearing that will continue for
some time yet. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The OMB has agreed with the Region on the types of land
to be included/excluded but then agreed with the
developers on the amount of urban boundary expansion
needed.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
There is certainly no decisions, agreement or even
attempts to figure out just where urban boundaries
would/could be expanded to allow for this development to
occur though loss of any greenspace is always a concern
for us.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Only time may tell if there actually is need or demand
for more urban sprawl type housing and who is right when
currently most demand is being seen in our rapidly
expanding core areas where people are seeking condos,
lofts and town homes compared to the slowing sales of
single family detached homes in the suburbs. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Unfortunately though the designation of rural lands for
development and setting the expectation of development
often dooms them to development regardless of need.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I believe the dangers of this decision are that it is a
disappointing setback for the Region's attempts at
innovation and trying to do things better, it will
embolden the developers to challenge the Region and area
municipalities on more things, it again demonstrates the
pro-development leanings of the OMB and how it takes the
power away from local governments to make the decisions
they feel are best for our local communities, and it
seems crazy for the OMB to be encouraging sprawl and old
fashioned, inefficient, destructive greenfield
development at a time when so many levels of government
are trying to implement more efficient and sustainable
SMART growth initiatives.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The developers are certainly seeing this as a huge win
and they feel that it positions them very well for the
next phase of the battle which will determine where and
when the urban boundary expansion of between 80 and
1,053 hectares will occur. This is a powerful group
with many lawyers and large law firms involved.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We do need to remain optimistic. This is one decision
point with many more aspects and decisions in a much
larger case. We still have a visionary, progressive
Regional Official Plan with many other innovative
elements than just land budgeting that we need to
support and keep moving forward be it the rapid transit,
countryside line, protected countryside, ESLs, water
issues and dozens of other aspects.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The OMB and higher level governments can be swayed by
strong, united public pressure. Just look to the recent
mega-quarry decision for proof.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
There is a lot that we can do over the coming months to
support and encourage the Region and area governments to
continue with SMART growth strategies and innovation.
We should work to develop a plan to express our
concerns about this decision with all levels of
government and ensure that everyone is working towards
leading solutions. We need to demonstrate strong
support for the ROP and articulate the vision of the
community that we want to see and live in over the
coming decades. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We need to ensure that our future is determined by the
people of our community working towards a better,
sustainable community and world-leading place to live
and not by a bunch of developers using the courts and
deep pockets to force old style urban sprawl development
over our remaining green space for their own profit.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks for looking into this Yvonne! Please everyone
continue to share any knowledge, learning, and ideas.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Kevin.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
------------------------<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 2013-01-24, at 10:57 PM, Yvonne Fernandes <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="fonka25@hotmail.com">fonka25@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
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face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <br>
Hello EVeryone,<br>
I had a chance to speak with Ken Seiling today and his
comments were that this process is not yet complete
and this is on half of the decision. I am not sure if
he was trying to save face or not.<br>
I also email Kevin Eby who has been very involved in
the hearings. His comments were:" that this decision <br>
is only interim decision that only spoke the potential
quantum of land required, not the location. In its
decsion the Board accepted in part the Region's
position and in part the developers possition and
instructed us to get back together to work out the
dtails as it applies to the calculation."<br>
Again I am not sure if this is the "approved" response
but I want to remain a bit optimistic. I agree with
Greg that PB is not to be trusted and that he is
dancing away at much of this decision and the media
coverage that is is getting.<br>
I will keep you posted if I hear more or something
different.<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
</font></span><font face="Calibri, Verdana,
Helvetica, Arial"><font size="4"><span
style="font-size:14pt"><b> Yvonne
Fernandes</b></span></font><span
style="font-size:11pt"> <br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><span style="font-size:11pt"><font
face="Lucida Handwriting"><b>"Never doubt that a small
group of thoughtful,committed people can change the
world, indeed it's the only thing that ever has."
Margaret Mead<br>
</b></font><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica,
Arial"> <br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font face="Comic Sans MS"><b><i> <font
color="#1B703A">Follow your dreams of a better
world, and keep on trying, even when there seems
to be little hope, because it is the right thing
to do." Robert Alan <br>
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Helvetica, Arial"> <br>
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<br>
> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="neiletaylor@sympatico.ca">neiletaylor@sympatico.ca</a><br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="gcmichalenko@uwaterloo.ca">gcmichalenko@uwaterloo.ca</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="kevinthomason@mac.com">kevinthomason@mac.com</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="all@gren.ca">all@gren.ca</a><br>
> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:48:23 -0500<br>
> Subject: Re: [All] OMB Forces Urban Sprawl on
Waterloo Region<br>
> <br>
> Greg<br>
> We agree once again.<br>
> Nei;<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: All [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:all-bounces@gren.ca">mailto:all-bounces@gren.ca</a>]
On Behalf Of Gregory C. Michalenko<br>
> Sent: January-24-13 6:16 PM<br>
> To: Kevin Thomason; GREN<br>
> Subject: Re: [All] OMB Forces Urban Sprawl on
Waterloo Region<br>
> <br>
> This is truly horrible. We've got to expose these
developers and the damage<br>
> thy have caused. Unfortunately I'm away untilFeb.
22. <br>
> <br>
> i remember battling Britton when he assisted Sun
life in tearing down 20<br>
> affordable houses to expand their parking
lot.There was a rumor circulating<br>
> that Habitat for Humanity had agreed to salvage
the torn down houses. I met<br>
> with the national president (the office happens
to be in Waterloo)and she<br>
> said "There is no truth to that. It would simply
be unprofessional to make<br>
> such a decision on a hypothetical matter before
any official decision had<br>
> been made and a demoliton permit granted." I was
one of the first<br>
> delegations to speak at the critical Kitchener
council meeting. When<br>
> Britton spoke he blatantly lied, said that
Habitat would welcome the chance<br>
> to use the materials and the next delegation was
a sincere naive dupe of<br>
> Habitat enthusiastically thanking Britton for the
wonderful contribution<br>
> this would make to Habitat's good work. I had no
chance to challenge B's<br>
> blatant lie or mention my meeting with the
president or tell the poor worker<br>
> that he had been shamefully manipulated.<br>
> <br>
> I despise him.<br>
> <br>
> - Keep up your good work Kevin. I remember how
grateful the Kitchener<br>
> planners were when you spoke up in favour of the
countryside line when it<br>
> was proposed.<br>
> <br>
> = Greg, Huatulco, Mexico <br>
> ________________________________________<br>
> From: All [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="all-bounces@gren.ca">all-bounces@gren.ca</a>]
on behalf of Kevin Thomason<br>
> [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="kevinthomason@mac.com">kevinthomason@mac.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:46 AM<br>
> To: GREN<br>
> Subject: [All] OMB Forces Urban Sprawl on
Waterloo Region<br>
> <br>
> Good morning,<br>
> <br>
> In a very disturbing ruling the OMB is rejecting
the Region of Waterloo's<br>
> Regional Official Plan (ROP's) attempts to curb
urban sprawl and is<br>
> demanding thousands of acres of greenspace be
opened up for future<br>
> development:<br>
> <br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.therecord.com/news/local/article/874617--provincial-tribunal-sets">http://www.therecord.com/news/local/article/874617--provincial-tribunal-sets</a><br>
> -back-region-s-efforts-to-curb-urban-sprawl<br>
> <br>
> It is a shameful ruling from a tribunal that
shouldn't exist. Certain local<br>
> developers are thrilled by the decision and are
declaring a huge victory.<br>
> <br>
> Twitter is rampant this morning with anger from
the public that our<br>
> progressive region which is leading the charge on
intensification and better<br>
> land-use at the bequest of the province is now
being forced by the same<br>
> provincial government to revert to old fashioned
urban sprawl.<br>
> <br>
> The Region is downplaying this decision and there
is a closed door meeting<br>
> of Regional Councillors (in camera) on Tuesday to
discuss the ramifications.<br>
> We will likely learn more over the coming days
but it could be weeks or<br>
> months until we learn what greenspace is going to
be redesignated and<br>
> targetted for future development to accommodate
this ruling.<br>
> <br>
> As most OMB rulings are final and unappeallable
(short of an overturn by the<br>
> Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing). I
don't think there is much we<br>
> can do here other than to try to support the
Region's other efforts on<br>
> growth management, public transit, water,
environmental protection, etc. as<br>
> much as possible and still try to positively
create the community we want to<br>
> live in.<br>
> <br>
> Kevin.<br>
> <br>
> -------------------------------------<br>
> <br>
> Kevin Thomason<br>
> <br>
> 1115 Cedar Grove Road<br>
> Waterloo, Ontario Canada N2J 3Z4<br>
> <br>
> Phone: (519) 888-0519<br>
> Mobile Phone: (519) 240-1648<br>
> Twitter: @kthomason<br>
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> <br>
> -----------------------------------------<br>
> <br>
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