<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> ----- Forwarded Message -----<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Louisette Lanteigne <butterflybluelu@rogers.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> eco <commissioner@eco.on.ca>; "gail.jackson@ontario.ca" <gail.jackson@ontario.ca>; "catherinefife@on.ndp.ca" <catherinefife@on.ndp.ca>; "ahorwath-qp@ndp.on.ca" <ahorwath-qp@ndp.on.ca>; "tim.hudak@pc.ola.org" <tim.hudak@pc.ola.org>; "hhampton-qp@ndp.on.ca" <hhampton-qp@ndp.on.ca>; Cbentley Mpp <cbentley.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; Peter Kent P.C. M.P.
<minister@ec.gc.ca>; "peter.braid@parl.gc.ca" <peter.braid@parl.gc.ca>; "stephane.dion@parl.gc.ca" <stephane.dion@parl.gc.ca>; justin duncan <jduncan@ecojustice.ca>; "environment@afn.ca" <environment@afn.ca>; "enviroinfo@ec.gc.ca" <enviroinfo@ec.gc.ca>; "david@donnellylaw.ca" <david@donnellylaw.ca>; Dianne Saxe <dsaxe@envirolaw.com>; CELA Articling Student 1 <articling.cela@lao.on.ca>; "jmilloy.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org" <jmilloy.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org>; "francis.scarpaleggia@parl.gc.ca" <francis.scarpaleggia@parl.gc.ca>; "stephen.harper@parl.gc.ca" <stephen.harper@parl.gc.ca>; "Elizabeth.May@parl.gc.ca" <Elizabeth.May@parl.gc.ca>; "justin.trudeau@parl.gc.ca" <justin.trudeau@parl.gc.ca>; "thomas.mulcair@parl.gc.ca" <thomas.mulcair@parl.gc.ca>; "info@gg.ca" <info@gg.ca>; "jgerretsen.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <jgerretsen.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "mcu@justice.gc.ca"
<mcu@justice.gc.ca>; "communications@oag-bvg.gc.ca" <communications@oag-bvg.gc.ca>; "nsin_risn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca" <nsin_risn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>; Mike #509 <509@yrp.ca>; "lberardinetti.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <lberardinetti.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "jbradley.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <jbradley.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "dcansfield.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <dcansfield.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "mcolle.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <mcolle.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "gcrack.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <gcrack.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "bduguid.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <bduguid.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "dduncan.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <dduncan.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "mgravelle.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <mgravelle.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "hjaczek.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <hjaczek.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "lsandals.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <lsandals.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "mkwinter.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <mkwinter.mpp@liberal.ola.org>;
"dmatthews.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <dmatthews.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "tmcmeekin.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <tmcmeekin.mpp@liberal.ola.org> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "mmeilleur.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <mmeilleur.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "sqaadri.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <sqaadri.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; "kwynne.mpp@liberal.ola.org" <kwynne.mpp@liberal.ola.org>; Tim ( MAH) Ryall <tim.ryall@ontario.ca>; "bevacquaf@washington.ijc.org" <bevacquaf@washington.ijc.org>; "beckhoffb@ottawa.ijc.org" <beckhoffb@ottawa.ijc.org>; "nevinj@windsor.ijc.org" <nevinj@windsor.ijc.org>; Mark Calzavara <mcalzavara@canadians.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:00:20 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Municipal and Ministries cannot assure compliance without Data. <br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv484434597"><div><div
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">Dear Hon. Prime Minister, respective ministers et al. </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">Via the communications I have had with Ontario MNR's Ken Cornelisse it identifies the fact that the MNR in Ontario and local municipalities are lacking the data to reasonably perform their duty to protect water features, rare species and other issues within their jurisdictional powers leaving them potentially liable at the taxpayer's expense. </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">By way of a series of correspondences exchanged with MNR staff, I found out that Ontario's<span style="background-color:transparent;"> MNR lacks the powers to secure hydrology data, bore hole data, terrestrial reports or the associated field notes regarding the Dufferin Quarry Project on Watts Rd. in Brant County. </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">The data is currently in the possession of Dufferin Aggregates and this is confirmed in the correspondences as provided by Mr. Cornelisse. Neither the MNR, the City nor the public has been privy to any of these key reports to date. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color:
transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><font size="2">The Dufferin Quarry Pit was approved 38 years ago and has yet to cut ground but it demonstrates overwhelming risks to water supplies, well heads, rare species and local industries. It sits over top two critical well-head protection zones for municipal wells as recognized by the Source Water Protection Committee. This project involves huge economic and food security and public health risks. </font></span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:13px;">I created a power point about this here: </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.slideshare.net/Waterloomoriane/brantwater" style="background-color:transparent;font-size:13px;">http://www.slideshare.net/Waterloomoriane/brantwater</a></div><div><font
size="2"><br></font></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><font size="2">There is currently no mandate for proponents to facilitate transparency of data during public processes, regardless of the fact private proposals have the ability to significantly impact local. provincial and national economic systems. For example, all industries, farming and communities rely upon shared water resources but there are on occasions, private ventures which places all of these agencies at significant risk. One such example is the Melancthon Quarry Pit. </font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size:small;"><br></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><font size="2">In light of this matter I request that the Ministry of Ontario facilitate mandatory disclosure of all EA data including
hydrology and terrestrial
reports and other planning documents to make it the law to have this data accessible for ministry, municipal and public review regardless if it's a quarry pit, a subdivision etc. Ministry and municipal officials, NGO's and the public have the legal right to participate in the governance issues of our nation so give us the data so we can reasonably perform our civic duties as enshrined in legislation.</font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><font size="2"><br></font></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span><span><span><span><span><span style="font-size:13px;">The system as it currently stands appears, in my view, to be slipping into a Kangaroo Court like process. Statements are said specifically to placate the public but are not being substantiated with actual data. I am approaching both provincial and federal
ministers in good faith with full disclosure of my concerns because I see the same issues at both the provincial and federal levels right now. </span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><span><span><span><span style="font-size:13px;"><br></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><span><span><span><span style="font-size:13px;">It is my sincere hope the government will take a look at the concerns I have expressed and give serious thought to the long term economic consequences of leaving our nation's future in the hands of businesses who rely on the views of hired engineers. </span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><span><span><span><span style="font-size:13px;"><br></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span><span><span><span><span><span style="font-size:13px;">Currently engineers in Canada have no mandatory test times or methods specified to assure their data is reasonable. There is no criteria for what is deemed outdated data, no standardized units of measurements, no 12 month creek study mandated. They can manipulate data many ways to achieve desired pro development results ie: picking data from drought years etc. Once they sign off, have no liability risks. The MNR cannot scrutinize the data if they don't even have the access to it. Our MNR offices are under staffed and under funded. They see a rubber stamp they say OK and move on to the next approval permit
because that's all they can do. The criteria to say no to various projects such as gravel pits, has yet to reasonably be defined. </span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><span><span><span><span><span style="font-size:13px;"><br></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:13px;"><span><span><span><span><span>Meanwhile</span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:13px;"> if an accident happens due to the poor EA data, the blame falls on the company who purchased it when the actual blame might be the fella from the engineering firm who
undermined the risks. He wasn't paid to protect the public interest, he was paid to get that pipe approved and that's it. </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">With the current system, nobody is double checking his work because the data is out of view of municipalities, ministries and the public. Guess who stands to</span><span style="background-color:transparent;"> profit when the wells go bad? </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><span><span style="font-size:13px;">It's a shameful system where it stands currently. Human lives, municipal water supplies and long term economic systems that we have to day were crafted with great care by
our forefathers. Don't let their pillars crumble. The public is the number one fundamental keystone to facilitate ALL public processes. Keep the science open so we can all reasonably participate to perform our civic duty in order to protect the interests of our communities and the nation for the long term. </span></span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="background-color:transparent;"><span><span style="font-size:13px;"><br></span></span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span style="background-color:transparent;"><span><span style="font-size:13px;">Below are the correspondences shared with Mr. Cornelisse for your reference. </span></span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><span><span style="font-size:13px;"><br></span></span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">Yours in good faith</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">Louisette Lanteigne</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">700 Star Flower Ave.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;
font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">Waterloo Ontario</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; ">N2V 2L2</div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></div> <div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> ----- Forwarded Message -----<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Louisette Lanteigne <butterflybluelu@rogers.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> "Cornelisse, Ken (MNR)" <ken.cornelisse@ontario.ca> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 25, 2012 5:53:35 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Many thanks<br> </font>
</div> <br><div id="yiv484434597"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><div><span><font size="2">Hi Mr. Cornelisse</font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><font size="2">Thank you very much for your response. This information is greatly appreciated. It goes a long way to providing a better understanding on the overall project, how these issues are managed and the need to secure better transparency of data not only for the public but for the ministries as well. </font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><font size="2">Water is a public resource and it only seems reasonable the data regarding water issues be made public too. I'll see what I can do to secure further data from this company.</font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span><font size="2">It would be in the best interest of the proponent to allow for public scrutiny. Engineering firms hired to do these jobs tend to do so using strategies that may undermine risks. We actually don't have
mandatory test times or testing protocols
in place to secure these studies are reasonably done. Once these engineering firms sign off the liability transfers onto the company who purchases the data, in this case, Dufferin Aggregates. Should problems happen down the road by way of underestimating the EA risks, it's Dufferin Aggregates, not the engineering firm who might be sued for any actions done using that data. Too often firms get blame when the root flaws were not their own. And the engineers stand to profit when things go wrong. We need to secure that the initial engineering firms are held liable and accountable for the services they provide. </font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica,
sans-serif; "><span><font size="2">I'll do my best to help make the system better. </font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><font size="2">Louisette Lanteigne</font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><font size="2">700 Star Flower Ave.</font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><font size="2">Waterloo Ont.</font></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><span><font size="2">N2V 2L2</font></span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "><br></div> <div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Cornelisse, Ken (MNR)" <ken.cornelisse@ontario.ca><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Louisette Lanteigne <butterflybluelu@rogers.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "Stone, Mike (MNR)" <mike.stone@ontario.ca>; "Freeman, Linda (MNR)" <Linda.M.Freeman@ontario.ca> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:29:50 PM<br> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: Strange Snakes in Paris & reports needed<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv484434597">
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Hi Louisette,</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Thank you for your email. As
previously noted, this site has been licenced under the Aggregate Resources Act
(ARA) since 1974. The original planning process included a hearing at the
Ontario Municipal Board, where a wide range of issues were adjudicated.
There is no current “planning process” underway and MNR has no
further requirements before Dufferin Aggregates begins to operate this pit.</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>
<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">The aquatic and terrestrial inventory data
from the Dufferin Paris Pit monitoring belongs to Dufferin Aggregates and the
MNR does not have a copy of those data. As a result you would have to
request those data from Dufferin Aggregates. I did find a summary of the monitoring
results in the “Presentation” listed at: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.dufferinparispit.com/en/announcements/capmeetingminutesandmaterials.asp"><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy;">http://www.dufferinparispit.com/en/announcements/capmeetingminutesandmaterials.asp</span></font></a>.
A contact at Dufferin Aggregates is Kevin Mitchell - <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kevin.mitchell@holcim.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kevin.mitchell@holcim.com"><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy;">kevin.mitchell@holcim.com</span></font></a>.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">The hydrogeological monitoring data and the
bore hole data for the Paris Pit, belong to Dufferin Aggregates. So you
would have to request those data from Dufferin Aggregates. Once again you
can get in touch with Kevin Mitchell to discuss the availability of those data.
MNR does not have a copy of those data.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">As previously noted, it is the operator’s
responsibility to ensure compliance with the ESA. This same principle
applies to all landowners.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Dufferin Aggregates will be applying to
the MOE for a Permit to Take Water. Generally speaking, the use of water
at aggregate sites is not highly consumptive. Much of the water that is
taken (pumped) is returned to the groundwater, once it has been used to wash
the fine silts out of the sand and gravel <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.dufferinparispit.com/en/listening/Water.asp"><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy;">http://www.dufferinparispit.com/en/listening/Water.asp</span></font></a>.
As part of the PTTW process, MOE staff will review the application,
including potential environmental impacts. Applications for PTTWs are
posted on the Environmental Registry for public comment <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-External/"><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy;">http://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-External/</span></font></a>.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Regards,<br>
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Ken</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Ken Cornelisse<br>
District Water Resources Coordinator<br>
MNR – Guelph District<br>
1 Stone Road West<br>
Guelph , ON<br>
N1G 4Y2<br>
phone: (519) 826-6849<br>
fax: (519) 826-4929<br>
Email: </span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ken.cornelisse@ontario.ca" target="_blank" href="mailto:ken.cornelisse@ontario.ca"><font size="1" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">ken.cornelisse@ontario.ca</span></font></a></span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold; font-family: Tahoma; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">
Louisette Lanteigne [mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 23, 2012
11:10 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Cornelisse, Ken (MNR)<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Freeman, Linda (MNR); Stone,
Mike (MNR)<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Strange Snakes in
Paris & reports
needed</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><a rel="nofollow" name="yui_3_7_2_18_1350929677645_882" href=""></a><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">Hello Mr. Cornelisse </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">First
off I would like to thank you for the email response sent on October 22, 2012.
The communication is very much appreciated. Please allow me to recap briefly:</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><a rel="nofollow" name="yui_3_7_2_18_1350929677645_493" href=""></a><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">September 28 2012, by
email I requested to review terrestrial reports and as well as hydrogeological
reports regarding the property of the Dufferin Quarry Pit on Watts Rd. in Paris
Ontario which was approved 38 years ago and has yet to cut ground. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><a rel="nofollow" name="yui_3_7_2_18_1350929677645_495" href=""></a><a rel="nofollow" name="yui_3_7_2_18_1350929677645_209" href=""></a><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">The reason why I was
trying to secure the terrestrial reports and associated field notes was to
validate if studies were reasonably conducted to monitor for Jefferson
Salamanders and Blandings Turtles. You know from my previous OMB appeal
PL071044 that I am familiar with the protocols and procedures of such studies
because I hired experts to represent such issues. I also worked with a group
who was successful at securing new studies for Jefferson Salamanders in regards
to Hidden
Valley . Previously Jim Bogart, the chair
of the Jefferson Salamander Recovery team stated there were no Jefferson
Salamanders on site in Hidden
Valley but after
scrutinizing the reports we found his theory was based on tests conducted
on rotten eggs. The group I worked with helped to secured a different method of
study incorporating the use of pit traps and toe and tail clippings that found
one of the largest population of Jefferson Salamanders in
Canada , on
site. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">In no
way did that matter impair my respect for Mr. Bogart. He is a wonderful man,
highly accomplished and I admire his work greatly. In this case it was just a
matter of what samples were used and what methods were incorporated. With a
different approach to testing it achieved more accurate results and that is the
point I'm making with this. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><a rel="nofollow" name="yui_3_7_2_18_1350929677645_2791" href=""></a><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">Mr. Cornelisse, in your
correspondence to me sent on October 22 2012, regarding concerns for
Blandings and Jefferson Salamanders you stated the following:</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><a rel="nofollow" name="yui_3_7_2_18_1350929677645_499" href=""></a><a rel="nofollow" name="yui_3_7_2_18_1350929677645_875" href=""></a><i><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-style: italic; font-family: Arial; ">MNR is not aware of any individuals of these species, or
regulated habitat occurring at this site. We also note that the onsite
pond is outside of the area where extraction will occur. Dufferin
aggregates hired consultants (Marshall Macklin Monaghan) to undertake
terrestrial and aquatic inventories at the site and they will continue this
multi-season study in 2013. No species-at-risk have been found on the
site.</span></font></i><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "></span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">The
absence of data might not negate the risks. Lack of data may indicate flawed
test times and methods similar to what took place in
Hidden Valley
for example. I want to scrutinize the terrestrial reports to make sure test
times and methods being used are optimal to study specific species because
several area residents in Brant have already spoken with me about the Blandings
turtles on site and in the adjacent ponds surrounding this project. I went to
Paris Ontario
and I spoke with the residents and the turtles are common knowledge. The area's
residents have seen them for years along this area. That's why I'm trying to
get the data. It's hard for me to believe the company has not acknowledged them
by now. If there is a recovery strategy I want to see it to find out if these
animals are being reasonably protected. Based on the feedback I've had from area
residents, they are not. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">The
potential breeding ponds they mentioned lay on adjacent lands outside the 120m
buffer zones for this pit. If there are rare species located in the untested
ponds, activities on the proponent’s land still has the potential to
encroach upon their critical habitat. Blandings turtles travel to sandy areas
to lay their eggs. The sediment type of the proponent's property may make for
suitable nesting habitat. We need to know if the proponent’s property has
the potential to serve a function for the off-site threatened or endangered
species populations. We also need to know if they will be adversely impacted by
the draw down impacts of the water taking. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">The
Species At Risk Act (SARA) provides in no uncertain language that the purpose
is to ensure that critical habitat is protected. The MNR cannot reasonably meet
this objective if the ponds on the adjacent lands, outside the 120m bufferzone,
remain untested. I would like to request that there will be reasonable studies
conducted on the adjacent ponded features outside the 120m buffer zone to
assure compliance to SARA. If the animals are in the adjacent ponded areas,
they still must have a reasonable recovery strategy outlined to comply with the
law as written. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><a rel="nofollow" name="yui_3_7_2_18_1350929677645_682" href=""></a><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">In Brant's Official
plan it is clear the municipality has a mandate to protect threatened
species and habitats in sections 1.8.8, section 2.2.19, in section 3.3
etc. This policy as approved by the Province recognizes the power
municipalities have in regards to this matter. Any rare species in their
jurisdiction falls under this criteria and the Endangered Species Act cannot be
grandfathered. How in good faith, is the municipality and the public supposed
to assure policy compliance by the proponent if we cannot access
the terrestrial reports to scrutinize the data? That is not reasonable. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">I want
a copy of the terrestrial report either a hard copy or PDF. I also want to
review the field notes to see where and when they studied and what methods they
used. As a member of Frogwatch and the Ontario Turtle Tally, and the Ontario
Vernal Pool Association, I glean information from these types of reports for
the sake of establishing future policy recommendations to increase the
effectiveness of EA processes. My work with Frogwatch was </span></font><font size="1" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">referenced in the report Community Engagement for Adaptive
Management in Environmental Assessment Follow-up, John F. Devlin, Series 2011
produced by the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency. Here is the link to
the PDF copy of the report.
http://www.ceaa.gc.ca/7F3C6AF0-docs/CEFAMIEAFU-eng.pdf</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "></span></font></div>
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Tuesday September 25, 2012, I requested terrestrial and hydrological reports
from the Mark Pomponi, Brant
County 's General Manager
of Development Services. He emailed Water Services Alex Davidson to find out if
they had the hydrology data and stated the reports are incomplete. Here is the
response I received. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><a rel="nofollow" name="yui_3_7_2_18_1350929677645_4926" href=""></a><a rel="nofollow" name="yui_3_7_2_18_1350929677645_590" href=""></a><a rel="nofollow" name="yui_3_7_2_18_1350929677645_598" href=""></a><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">From: Alex Davidson </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Sent: Tue,25-Sep-2012 10:11 AM</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">To: '</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com"><font color="#234786" face="Times New Roman"><span style="color: rgb(35, 71, 134); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">butterflybluelu@rogers.com</span></font></a></span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">'</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Cc: Jayne Carman</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Subject: FW: Website message</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
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</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">The hydrogeo work is not complete. </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
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</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">The attached July 9, 2012 letter report from Conestoga-Rovers
& </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Associates was presented at the July 10, 2012 Public Works
Committee. </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">We understand that further hydrogeo info will be included with
an </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">application for a Permit To Take Water. This will be posted
on the EBR </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">when received by the MOE.</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
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</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Regards,</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Alex Davidson</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">Water Division Manager</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">County</span></font><font size="2" color="black"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"> of
Brant</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "></span></font></div>
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correspondence to me sent on October 22, 2012 1:59 you stated the
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property in conjunction with the site plan and licence conditions to ensure adverse
impacts to the public and the natural environment are mitigated. This
includes compiling more than 20 years of monitoring data in preparation for an
application to the Ministry of the Environment for a Permit to Take Water
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Aggregates has completed a through review of the property in conjunction with
the site plan and licence conditions. If that is true, why
is hydrogeological data regarding this proposal not yet
complete? Why can't I access sediment studies or bore hole data? Normally
this information is pretty straight forward but nobody seems to be able to
provide it to me. Dufferin Aggregates produces more than 18 million tonnes of
aggregated per year. I find the absence of such basic information for public
scrutiny very disturbing. They've been through these processes before. Why are
they not sharing data regarding this proposal? I am trying to prepare my
commentary for when the water taking permit request goes online and it impairs
my ability to participate if I don't have reasonable access to that information
and reasonable time to scrutinize the data to provide comment. </span></font></div>
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not dependent on surface water (unlike pond W12 in
Waterloo ). So the extraction and any
changes to the surface drainage area for the pond are not anticipated to impact
the wetland to any great extent. This area is sand and gravel and under
the existing conditions, little surface water makes it to the wetland because
much of the water infiltrates into the ground. I also note that the
extraction will create another water / wetland feature.</span></font></i><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "></span></font></div>
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Cornelisse, as much as I appreciate these predictions, without the data to
support it is simply hearsay. All wetlands and most groundwater features are
influenced by surface water infiltration at some point to achieve that baseline
water table but to understand flow and flow rates from point A to B requires
the hydrological data and sediment composition data so we can understand both
the geological connectivity under the ground as well as the topographical
influences at the surface level. Fluvial flows throughout the Galt Paris
Moraine system generally impact the first 12 meters down so if the bore hole
data isn't at a reasonable depth beyond that then we honestly cannot predict
the impacts to aquifers or predict the true hydrogeology of the area. The
public and the municipality need to be provided with the baseline data to plan
appropriately so we can avert externalizing costs onto taxpayers over the long
term. We have the jurisdiction as taxpayers to participate in the public
process. This data is fundamental to support the claims they make regarding
infiltration rates, protection of habitats and adjacent natural features. How
can anyone state they can reasonably protect on-site ponds in the absence of
this data? I don't even see any data relative to draw down impacts. That alone
can drain the ponds in this area on and off site. Where is the mapping for
this? </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">In good
faith I did visit the this website you recommended at: </span></font><font size="1" color="black" face="Arial"><span style=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.dufferinparispit.com/en/index.asp">http://www.dufferinparispit.com/en/index.asp</a>
and in my view, it's like reading a marketing brochure. The mandate of the CAP
is to p</span>rovide, encourage and facilitate two-way communication between
local residents/regional stakeholders and Dufferin Aggregates on operations. It
is designed to educate stakeholder groups and the community on aggregate in our
society and to maintain/improve relationships with neighbours and community
organizations. </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "></span></font></div>
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see their advisory panel as having the jurisdiction to entertain a “do
nothing approach” if their mandate limits them to address comments
“on operations”. </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "></span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="1" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">On that
website there is the absence of the scientific data again. They seem to have a
water retention pond planned but no detailed data of the pond is posted up on
the site at all. Why not? If they sincerely want to facilitate honest
communication about this project it would seem reasonable that we should be
provided with the data in order to facilitate meaningful dialogue.</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "></span></font></div>
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honestly have to ask, does the MNR have the bore hole data ? If so is it
possible that I can use FOI to request it? It is very difficult for me to
believe the province would actually proceed to allow this project to manifest
fully in the absence of this critical information when the potential risks to
this community is so enormous. I do hope the province demands the release of
this information to avert risks. </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "></span></font></div>
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Mr. Cornelisse, I sincerely thank you for your response. Forgive me if I seem
alarmed about this matter but it is an unusual project. I got involved after
residents asked for my help and when I reviewed the general information, it
appears to be quite a significant risk for this community, water supply and
rare species. </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "></span></font></div>
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faith I hope to learn from this process and hopefully I can help to foster a
better way to get industry to free up the data so the public, municipalities
and provinces have the knowledge enough that we can collaboratively plan
together rather than relying upon unsubstantiated predictions. Good planning
begins with good data that is shared openly in good faith. If we don't get that
first step right than we risk significant externalized costs and risks. There
are ways we can work to avoid such scenarios and it is my hope I can
incorporate some of these concepts into the Aggregate Resource Act Revision process.
This project makes a great case scenario to support the need for more
transparency of data. </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "></span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-weight: bold; font-family: Arial; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; "> "Cornelisse, Ken
(MNR)" <ken.cornelisse@ontario.ca><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Louisette Lanteigne
<butterflybluelu@rogers.com> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "Freeman, Linda
(MNR)" <Linda.M.Freeman@ontario.ca>; "Stone, Mike (MNR)"
<mike.stone@ontario.ca> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 22, 2012
1:59:58 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: Strange Snakes in
Paris & reports
needed</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"></span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">Thank
you for your email of October 14, 2012, sent to Mike Stone, regarding the
Dufferin Aggregates Pit in Paris
Ontario . I am responding
to your email on behalf of Mike.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"></span></font></div>
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I would like to make you aware that this site has been licenced under the
Aggregate Resources Act (ARA) since 1974. As such there is no current
“planning process”. However, Dufferin Aggregates has
established a Community Advisory Panel (CAP) which provides the public with an
opportunity to discuss concerns and share information. Information about the
CAP can be found at http://www.dufferinparispit.com/en/index.asp.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"></span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">Though
this site has been licenced since 1974, the Licensee, Dufferin Aggregates, must
abide by all current legislation which regulates pits and quarries in
Ontario including the
ARA and the Environmental Protection Act (EPA) and the associated
regulations. They must also comply with the approved site plans and
licence conditions for the pit, as well as the Endangered Species Act.
Dufferin Aggregates has completed a thorough review of the property in
conjunction with the site plan and licence conditions to ensure adverse impacts
to the public and the natural environment are mitigated. This includes
compiling more than 20 years of monitoring data in preparation for an
application to the Ministry of the Environment for a Permit to Take Water
(PTTW). Upon receipt of the application, MOE will post the proposal on the
Environmental registry for public input.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"></span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv484434597MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Arial; ">I did
consult with Graham Buck, Species-at-Risk Biologist, about your questions on
Blandings turtles and Jefferson
salamanders. As you know, Blandings turtles and Jefferson
salamanders are listed under the Endangered Species Act as
“Endangered” and “Threatened” respectively. MNR
is not aware of any individuals of these species, or regulated habitat
occurring at this site. We also note that the onsite pond is outside of
the area where extraction will occur. Dufferin aggregates hired
consultants (Marshall Macklin Monaghan) to undertake terrestrial and aquatic
inventories at the site and they will continue this multi-season study in
2013. No species-at-risk have been found on the site. As with any
private lands, the landowner must comply with the Endangered Species Act and
its regulations.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"></span></font></div>
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onsite wetland is within the water table and so it is not dependent on surface
water (unlike pond W12 in Waterloo
). So the extraction and any changes to the surface drainage area for the
pond are not anticipated to impact the wetland to any great extent. This
area is sand and gravel and under the existing conditions, little surface water
makes it to the wetland because much of the water infiltrates into the
ground. I also note that the extraction will create another water /
wetland feature.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"></span></font></div>
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District Water Resources Coordinator<br>
MNR – Guelph District<br>
1 Stone Road West<br>
Guelph , ON<br>
N1G 4Y2<br>
phone: (519) 826-6849<br>
fax: (519) 826-4929<br>
Email: </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ken.cornelisse@ontario.ca" target="_blank" href="mailto:ken.cornelisse@ontario.ca"><font size="1" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">ken.cornelisse@ontario.ca</span></font></a></span></font></div>
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