<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>Peter,</div><div><br></div><div>Definitely WORTH a listen.</div><div><br></div><div>Re: your Kingsnorth quote, may I say this: <b>we all have to work -- individually &/or collaboratively -- on a new story, or dream, or purpose, or strategic direction, or ... , because without an appropriate story, etc., the number zero for our species and most complex Life will be enough. And that new story, ... will of necessity involve a greater emphasis on discovering/advancing/evolving/... our Individual to Universal consciousness/unconscious.</b></div><div><br></div><div>Kingsnorth seems like a very interesting and relevant thinker as also indicated in:</div><div><br></div><div><div style="text-align: left; ">Paul Kingsnorth: green activism is 'simply a faction of consumer society' - Green living - The Ecologist</div><a href="http://www.theecologist.org/green_green_living/Q_and_A/1062124/q_a_paul_kingsnorth_green_activism_is_simply_a_faction_of_consumer_society.html">http://www.theecologist.org/green_green_living/Q_and_A/1062124/q_a_paul_kingsnorth_green_activism_is_simply_a_faction_of_consumer_society.html</a></div><div><br></div><div><div style="text-align: left; ">UNCIVILISATION, The Dark Mountain Festival 2010: Paul Kingsnorth, "Time to stop pretending" - YouTube</div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gboAHIXqe6Q">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gboAHIXqe6Q</a></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Robert</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 17-Apr-12, at 4:53 PM, Peter Kofler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 113.6pt; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 3cm; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Worth a listen: <a href="http://dark-mountain.net/blog/mythos-and-logos-a-dark-mountain-talk/" target="_blank" style="font-size: 10pt; ">http://dark-mountain.net/blog/mythos-and-logos-a-dark-mountain-talk/</a></p></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I must admit, as a recovering applied scientist, I've had trouble with the mythos side of the cultural equation , but I find the arguments put forth by Kingsnorth et al very compelling. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Paul Kingsnorth: "<i>If we haven't got new stories to replace the ones that are visibly failing then we haven't anywhere to go because at the end of the day - at the end of the story - the numbers are never enough."</i></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>All mailing list<br><a href="mailto:All@gren.ca">All@gren.ca</a><br><a href="http://gren.ca/mailman/listinfo/all_gren.ca">http://gren.ca/mailman/listinfo/all_gren.ca</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>