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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At my Bridge game today I spoke with a Waterloo gal
who attended one of the meetings and she, thinking I knew nothing about it,
stated exactly what Greg felt about the manipulation of the proposed outcome by
way of 'controlling' the response. In her group were 2 or 3 very
knowledgable and experienced retired city folks who were as mad as Greg at this
control and limiting of answers. We all know that data folks can 'skewer'
any numbers and opinions they choose to this way. I asked if anyone or two
people walked out and she didn't see; so it must have been at a different
meeting : same response of manipulation as you</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>had Greg. And we pay these out of town folks
to stuff our opinions right back in our faces, gotta be a change soon.
Ginny</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=mill@continuum.org href="mailto:mill@continuum.org">Robert Milligan</A>
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=all@gren.ca href="mailto:all@gren.ca">* GREN</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=butterflybluelu@rogers.com
href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com">Louisette Lanteigne</A> ; <A
title=gcmichalenko@uwaterloo.ca href="mailto:gcmichalenko@uwaterloo.ca">Gregory
C. Michalenko</A> ; <A title=ginny@kw.igs.net
href="mailto:ginny@kw.igs.net">Ginny Quinn</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:38 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [All] Strategic Plan consultation: the most shameful
and stupidest I've ever attended.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Maybe GREN can issue a press release on the Consultant Approach
to community involvement OR ? And to think that taxpayers pay for this
manipulative bullshit! This is not democracy but elected dictators playing
control games through their agent consultants (& relatives).
<DIV>Robert M</DIV>
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<DIV>On 23-Feb-11, at 5:08 PM, Ginny Quinn wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>OMG Greg this is exactly what
happened at the Kitchener parks so-called" open round table"
discussions? with the out of town parks consultant " Fred
Galloway" from London;brother to Tom Galloway. We were made to name
ONLY ONE on the list of needs and priorities and
when questioned about this limitation,like a BULLY , he kept
saying "No not 2 not 3 ONLY
ONE." Daphne and Gord and Yvonne and many of us were
angry and should have ALL walked out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>They will not allow freedom of choice or multiple choice
in degrees because then those bullies lose control.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I have an old friend from long ago who was in high upper
management (long gone now) and he gave me the best definition of a
"Consultant" that I've ever heard.....and there are very few for whom I
have gleaned any respect because most don't know a pittance about the subject
they "consult on" especially in another community.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>My friend told me that "A consultant is a guy who
borrows<STRONG><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>your</STRONG><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>watch to tell you what time it is
". </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Yes, that means he picks the brains of those in the
know or aught to be; finds out what answers they want to 'reach?'
and then takes charge to do it come Hell or High Water over the backs of the
common folks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>He was dead on for 90% of the ones I've met or had
to tolerate. Kinda like "Them that can't-- Consults"
Ginny</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial"><B>From:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=gcmichalenko@uwaterloo.ca
href="mailto:gcmichalenko@uwaterloo.ca">Gregory C. Michalenko</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=butterflybluelu@rogers.com
href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com">Louisette Lanteigne</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=all@gren.ca
href="mailto:all@gren.ca">all@gren.ca</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [All] Strategic Plan
consultation: the most shameful and stupidest I've ever attended.</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); DIRECTION: ltr; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Re:
Waterloo strategic plan consultations. I went last night -- and
walked out. We were put in small groups - only 4 in mine. We
talked productively about our visions and hopes for Waterloo for about an
hour, and then each of the 3 groups gave short summaries. Before there
was any chance for us to comment on the ideas coming from the other groups,
the hired consultants swung into action. We were each handed a gizmo
that looked like a remote control for a tv. Then they started
explaining that we were to compare the "6 pillars" (eg, environment,
economic) of the strategic plan to each other. Since there were 6 pillars,
that made 15 possible combinations (eg 1+2, 1+3, 1+4...3+4, 3+5 etc.). The
gizmo allowed us to pick which of each pair we favoured and rank on a score
of 1-10. And instantly it all would get added up and we would know
what mattered most! I put up my hand and asked what that was supposed
to prove: they cut us off from productive group interaction and were
reducing us to individuals in a secret ballot voting at the same time for
something and against another. I mentioned how the School Board at a
big public consultation after the Harris cuts tried to do the same thing:
they tried to lure 200 people by giving each of us 3 votes to select our
favourite things from a list of about 20 (eg, outdoor ed, special ed, music)
so that they would know what to cut. I spoke out and said that we
needed all these things in an educational system, and chopping any of them
would be like hacking off the leg or ears or liver of a body and expecting
it to still function. Now we were doing the same thing again.
The consultants just bulldozed me aside and kept on going. I
walked out and was joined by only one other person.
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<DIV>So if you go - don't be afraid to challenge such shenanigans.
Insist that you came to talk together and interact, not generate a
bunch of numbers using gee-whiz technology. Tell them that this is not
public consultation but a shell game, and they should be ashamed of
themselves</DIV>
<DIV>- Greg Michalenko<BR>
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<DIV id=divRpF212086 style="DIRECTION: ltr"><FONT face=Tahoma color=#000000
size=2><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'Times New Roman'" size=4><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">a</SPAN></FONT><B>From:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:all-bounces@gren.ca">all-bounces@gren.ca</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[<A
href="mailto:all-bounces@gren.ca">all-bounces@gren.ca</A>] on behalf of
Louisette Lanteigne [<A
href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com">butterflybluelu@rogers.com</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:48
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:all@gren.ca">all@gren.ca</A><BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[All] Strategic Plan, Nuclear not
profitable and Tar Sands update<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top><FONT size=3>Hello folks<BR><BR>Here's the
latest<BR><BR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Waterloo Strategic Plan</SPAN><BR>Tonight is
the last evening where Waterloo residents can participate in a
workshop regarding the Strategic Plan. The meeting starts at 6:30 at
Forbes room at RIM Park.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Nuclear
still not profitable</SPAN><BR>After 50 years, Nuclear power still
relies heavily upon subsidies. The industry is still not economically
viable according to a report released today by the Union of Concerned
Scientists. (UCS).</FONT><FONT size=3><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 16px 'Times New Roman'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; LINE-HEIGHT: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: arial; TEXT-ALIGN: left"></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><FONT size=3>To view the
press release and the link to the report visit here:<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT><BR><A
href="http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/nuclear-power-subsidies-report-0504.html"
target=_blank>http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/nuclear-power-subsidies-report-0504.html</A><BR><BR
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Europe &
Tar Sands update</SPAN><BR>The European Union is rejecting the Tar
Sands oil saying it would circumvent their efforts to reduce
emissions. They knew that Canada may challenge them at the World Trade
Organization if they took this stance so prior to doing so the
European Commission conducted their own analysis and published the
data showing how dirty Tar Sands oil really is. That report is
published on line here:<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><A
href="http://ec.europa.eu/clima/studies/transport/fuel/index_en.htm"
target=_blank>http://ec.europa.eu/clima/studies/transport/fuel/index_en.htm</A><BR><BR>The
issue is said to be threatening the European Free Trade deal:<BR><A
href="http://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCATRE71K2FL20110221?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews"
target=_blank>http://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCATRE71K2FL20110221?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews</A><BR></FONT><FONT
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif"
size=3><BR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"></SPAN><FONT
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 16px; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT-VARIANT: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; LINE-HEIGHT: 20px; TEXT-ALIGN: left">Currently
the EU is on the verge of approving a law that aims to cut the
carbon pollution from vehicles: the Fuel Quality Directive as seen in
this PDF:<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT><A
href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2009:140:0088:0113:EN:PDF"
target=_blank>http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2009:140:0088:0113:EN:PDF</A><FONT
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif"
size=3><FONT style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 16px; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT-VARIANT: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; LINE-HEIGHT: 20px; TEXT-ALIGN: left"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>This legislation will
result in suppliers of petrol, diesel and gas oil reducing emissions
of greenhouse gas by 2020 but<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 16px 'Times New Roman'; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: rgb(71,71,71); LINE-HEIGHT: 20px; FONT-FAMILY: 'helvetica neue', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; TEXT-ALIGN: left"><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">the Canadian government is lobbying heavily
to change the legislative text and undermine EU's climate policy in an
effort to promote Tar Sands oil</SPAN>.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif"
size=3><FONT style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 16px; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT-VARIANT: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; LINE-HEIGHT: 20px; TEXT-ALIGN: left"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>The World Wildlife Fund has
a<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">quick sign petition</SPAN><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>to address this issue to help
keep Tar Sands oil out of Europe. Here's the
link:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT><BR><A
href="http://wwf.panda.org/how_you_can_help/campaign/ac_detail.cfm?ActionUrl=http://buffy.bluegecko.net/action/c489daab-6f4f-49fb-804c-96028eb782f1"
target=_blank>http://wwf.panda.org/how_you_can_help/campaign/ac_detail.cfm?ActionUrl=http://buffy.bluegecko.net/action/c489daab-6f4f-49fb-804c-96028eb782f1</A><BR><BR><FONT
size=3>Meanwhile, several prominent scientists are still demanding
further studies for toxins in Alberta.<A
href="http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Potent+toxins+need+studied/4309179/story.html"
target=_blank>http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Potent+toxins+need+studied/4309179/story.html</A></FONT><BR><BR><FONT
size=3><FONT size=2><FONT size=3>That's it for now.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR></FONT><BR><FONT
size=3>Lulu
:0)</FONT></FONT><BR></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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