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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Susan:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If GREN’s mission statement is truly what you say then why are we focusing on the LRT for KW and perhaps Cambridge. The Grand covers a meandering distance from north of Shelborne to Port Maitland. GREN has a long way to go before it can call itself a NETWORK. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>How can I, or anyone outside KW, expect to get involved or even see a connection between what GREN’s mission statement is </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“That means finding common ground, common goals for the improvement of the environment in the Grand River watershed” and the LRT for Kitchener/Waterloo?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Grand River watershed interacts with 11 counties and 1 Aboriginal Nation area. In the interest of being fair why not investigate topics that are common to everyone in the watershed and not just a few urbanites?</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Randy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ps I understand where Robert is coming from.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> all-bounces@gren.ca [mailto:all-bounces@gren.ca] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Koswan<br><b>Sent:</b> January-11-11 8:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'gren'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional Waterloo Light Rail Transit - January 18<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cool the vitriol, Robert and don’t jump to any conclusions,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>GREN’s “mission” is to work with like-minded groups and individuals – NETWORK, remember? That means finding common ground, common goals for the improvement of the environment in the Grand River watershed. We know how much work and research you have invested into the LRT and value the commitment you’ve made, but you know that the end product will not include all the cutting edge stuff. The Region will go with what has proven reliable and successful and there will be compromises.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No one is stepping on your democratic toes here – I merely forwarded Tim’s suggestion for the agenda. Whether the questions are written or oral, there will be ample time for discussion. Our goal is to pick Jeff Casello’s brain for why he thinks an LRT is the best option, what he thinks we should do as a group to move this issue forward and to dispel any misinformation about the project. It is NOT to spend the time debating issues of democracy. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Susan K <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Robert Milligan [mailto:mill@continuum.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> January-10-11 11:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Koswan<br><b>Cc:</b> 'gren'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional Waterloo Light Rail Transit - January 18<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I strongly disagree with the concept of written questions because it is a very undemocratic form of hunman interaction. New meeting-processes should never be introduced unless the whole group is consulted!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Why is it being done? Does the professor feel insecure?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Your efficiency rationale, "<span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>this will cut unnecessary time out of the structured QA session</span></span><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>", takes human expression out the communication. It's something like a prayer to a high & mighty God who may or may not answer. Although with such a prayer you have a choice to speak it or silently communicate.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>I see no place for the displacement of spoken questions at any valid public meeting!</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>On second thought, maybe all our meetings could use this approach in which we submit questions to John and he decides which ones will be answered and who he will permit to answer them. Certainly 30 minute meetings will save us all a lot of time.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Our society needs more democracy in our meetings, not less!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Robert<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>PS: Are GRENERS aware that TriTAG -- until Mollison made some very impractical suggestions -- has been reluctant to attempt to improve the Region's RTI<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Plan? They said it was counter-productive.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10-Jan-11, at 10:47 PM, Susan Koswan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi GRENers,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>CHANGE OF VENUE FOR JAN. 18 GREN MEETING RE LRT</span></u></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>When we contacted TriTAG (pro-LRT) to tell them about our meeting, they had already scheduled theirs for the same night. Since they could not change their location, we agreed to combine our meetings and join them at Whole-Lot-A-Gelata on King St located at 120 King St. S. Waterloo 519-884-5760<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.wholelotagelata.com/index.html"><span style='color:windowtext'>http://www.wholelotagelata.com/index.html</span></a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Agenda as follows:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>7:30-7:40 introduction: information about initiatives, how to sign up, speaker</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>7:40-8:10 presentation by Mr. J. Casello</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>8:10-8:30 written questions delivered by moderator (this will cut unnecessary time out of the structured QA session; I can print forms)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>8:30-8:40 closing: recommended actions, information about recurring meetings for GREN and TriTAG</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>8:40-9:00 open discussion and opportunities to mingle</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Susan K</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>All mailing list<br><a href="mailto:All@gren.ca">All@gren.ca</a><br><a href="http://gren.ca/mailman/listinfo/all_gren.ca">http://gren.ca/mailman/listinfo/all_gren.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>