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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hello Susan</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Your "two bits" are worth a lot more than
that. You have expressed the fundamental concept of GREN in concise clear terms.
If we are to make informed decisions and commitments, we need information. That
seemed to be the purpose of this upcoming meeting from the outset.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Debate is more appropriate when there is a
motion on the floor, and a decision must be made.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> I regret that once again I have a scheduling
conflict and will not be able to attend the meeting, but I will await the
minutes and follow the outcome closely.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Your ability to come to the point clearly
and directly, and then to express it succinctly, is admirable. Good
work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
Don
Roberts</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> </FONT>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dandelion@gto.net href="mailto:dandelion@gto.net">Susan Koswan</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=all@gren.ca
href="mailto:all@gren.ca">'gren'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:12
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN
MEETING - Regional WaterlooLight Rail Transit - January 18</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">What
we do with public transportation affects us all in terms of reducing air
pollution, affecting climate change, what the Region looks like in 20, 30
years, etc. All GREN members do not work on the same issues which, to
me, is the true nature of a network. GREN members work on their particular
area of interest. GREN exists to share our experiences and support each other.
Networks fall apart when the infighting begins. What’s that line from Pogo – I
have seen the enemy and it is us – or something like that. Just because we
disagree doesn’t mean we need to change the goals we set for ourselves.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">And
Randy, you have brought the issue of expanding our network many times, but I
have yet to see a plan from you or anyone who is willing to take this on.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">My
2 bits.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Susan
K<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>
randybmclean@rogers.com [mailto:randybmclean@rogers.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B>
January-11-11 9:02 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Susan Koswan'; 'gren'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional Waterloo Light Rail Transit
- January 18<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Susan:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If
GREN’s mission statement is truly what you say then why are we focusing on the
LRT for KW and perhaps Cambridge. The Grand covers a meandering distance
from north of Shelborne to Port Maitland. GREN has a long way to go
before it can call itself a NETWORK. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">How
can I, or anyone outside KW, expect to get involved or even see a connection
between what GREN’s mission statement is “That means finding
common ground, common goals for the improvement of the environment in the
Grand River watershed” and the LRT for
Kitchener/Waterloo?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
Grand River watershed interacts with 11 counties and 1 Aboriginal Nation
area. In the interest of being fair why not investigate topics that are
common to everyone in the watershed and not just a few
urbanites?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Randy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Ps
I understand where Robert is coming from.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>
all-bounces@gren.ca [mailto:all-bounces@gren.ca] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Susan
Koswan<BR><B>Sent:</B> January-11-11 8:06 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
'gren'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional
Waterloo Light Rail Transit - January 18<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Cool
the vitriol, Robert and don’t jump to any conclusions,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">GREN’s
“mission” is to work with like-minded groups and individuals – NETWORK,
remember? That means finding common ground, common goals for the
improvement of the environment in the Grand River watershed. We know how much
work and research you have invested into the LRT and value the commitment
you’ve made, but you know that the end product will not include all the
cutting edge stuff. The Region will go with what has proven reliable and
successful and there will be compromises.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">No
one is stepping on your democratic toes here – I merely forwarded Tim’s
suggestion for the agenda. Whether the questions are written or oral, there
will be ample time for discussion. Our goal is to pick Jeff Casello’s brain
for why he thinks an LRT is the best option, what he thinks we should do as a
group to move this issue forward and to dispel any misinformation about the
project. It is NOT to spend the time debating issues of democracy.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Susan
K <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> Robert
Milligan [mailto:mill@continuum.org] <BR><B>Sent:</B> January-10-11 11:28
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Susan Koswan<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'gren'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[All] CHANGE OF VENUE GREN MEETING - Regional Waterloo Light Rail Transit -
January 18<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I strongly disagree with the concept of written questions
because it is a very undemocratic form of hunman interaction. New
meeting-processes should never be introduced unless the whole group is
consulted!<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Why is it being done? Does the professor feel
insecure?<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Your efficiency rationale, "<SPAN
class=apple-style-span><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">this
will cut unnecessary time out of the structured QA session</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">",
takes human expression out the communication. It's something like
a prayer to a high & mighty God who may or may not answer. Although
with such a prayer you have a choice to speak it or silently
communicate.</SPAN></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I see no
place for the displacement of spoken questions at any valid public
meeting!</SPAN></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">On second
thought, maybe all our meetings could use this approach in which we submit
questions to John and he decides which ones will be answered and who he will
permit to answer them. Certainly 30 minute meetings will save us all a lot of
time.</SPAN></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'">Our
society needs more democracy in our meetings, not
less!!!</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Robert<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>PS: Are GRENERS aware that TriTAG -- until Mollison made
some very impractical suggestions -- has been reluctant to attempt to improve
the Region's RTI<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Plan? They said it was
counter-productive.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On 10-Jan-11, at 10:47 PM, Susan Koswan
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi
GRENers,</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><U><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">CHANGE OF VENUE FOR
JAN. 18 GREN MEETING RE LRT</SPAN></U></B><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">When we contacted
TriTAG (pro-LRT) to tell them about our meeting, they had already scheduled
theirs for the same night. Since they could not change their location, we
agreed to combine our meetings and join them at Whole-Lot-A-Gelata on King St
located at 120 King St. S. Waterloo 519-884-5760<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="http://www.wholelotagelata.com/index.html"><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext">http://www.wholelotagelata.com/index.html</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Agenda as
follows:</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">7:30-7:40
introduction: information about initiatives, how to sign up,
speaker</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">7:40-8:10
presentation by Mr. J. Casello</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">8:10-8:30 written
questions delivered by moderator (this will cut unnecessary time out of the
structured QA session; I can print forms)</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">8:30-8:40 closing:
recommended actions, information about recurring meetings for GREN and
TriTAG</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">8:40-9:00 open
discussion and opportunities to mingle</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Susan K</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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