<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Lulu and All,</div><div><br></div>Now you guys are "cooking" -- this should up the interest level of our meetings both for ourselves and prospective new members! Just to make things even more interesting, I'll toss in "negative synergism" involving a combination of interacting environmental (most general meaning), genetic, and epigenetic factors. (I really dig complexity.)<div><br></div><div>Robert M.</div><div><br></div><div>PS: Just like with fluoride, I look forward to strong support from the MOH (in my dreams).<br><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 18-Oct-10, at 8:52 PM, Louisette Lanteigne wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit; ">I agree with Ginny. It's more than just a water thing. We must also consider air quality, pesticides, cosmetics and a host of other variables. The good thing about this particular report is it's the first wide scale study to to put the focus on prevention instead of focusing a cure and that shift is an excellent approach to take.<br><br>Part of the problem noted in the report is the fact that so many agencies are responsible for reviewing a vast variety of chemicals for different functions. Agencies that approve pesticides, cosmetics, food and industrial uses don't tend to cross reference their data and many toxicity issues end up falling through the cracks. We need a comprehensive centralized data base reflecting the hazards of each chemical. Add to that the challenges associated with imported foods and materials which may or may not meet with our nation's chemical restrictions. It's virtually impossible for ministry officials to keep up so buyer beware but at least the effort is being made to identify key chemicals such as BPA which has recently been declared toxic in Canada.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Lulu :0)<br><br>--- On<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Mon, 10/18/10, Ginny Quinn<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><<a href="mailto:ginny@kw.igs.net">ginny@kw.igs.net</a>></i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; "><br>From: Ginny Quinn <<a href="mailto:ginny@kw.igs.net">ginny@kw.igs.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [All] Breast Cancer and Environmental causes<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:all@gren.ca">all@gren.ca</a>, "'Louisette Lanteigne'" <<a href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com">butterflybluelu@rogers.com</a>>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:randybmclean@rogers.com">randybmclean@rogers.com</a><br>Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 6:55 PM<br><br><div id="yiv190362502"><div><font face="Arial" size="2">Randy please re read my notations. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong>I am NOT blaming it all on the water from the Grand</strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>...we have very astute and responsible and knowledgable hydrogeologists and hydrologists and water conservationists in Waterloo Region plus GRCA workers. We also have access to the great minds and Profs at U of W . who will teach us a class at a moment's notice as did Prof John Cherry when I set up a group to have him educate CPWM members on the duties and dangers of and to the "Clay TILL" protecting the sensitive recharge areas and aquifers. I can do that again if anyone is interested. Perhaps I did not make myself clear....sorry for the misinterpretation of my remarks and notations. Ginny</font></div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: 0% 0%; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" title="randybmclean@rogers.com" ymailto="mailto:randybmclean@rogers.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=randybmclean@rogers.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">randybmclean@rogers.com</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" title="ginny@kw.igs.net" ymailto="mailto:ginny@kw.igs.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=ginny@kw.igs.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">'Ginny Quinn'</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" title="butterflybluelu@rogers.com" ymailto="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=butterflybluelu@rogers.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">'Louisette Lanteigne'</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" title="all@gren.ca" ymailto="mailto:all@gren.ca" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=all@gren.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">all@gren.ca</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, October 18, 2010 3:41 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [All] Breast Cancer and Environmental causes</div><div><br></div><div class="yiv190362502WordSection1"><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: sans-serif; ">Cancer and the Grand Water Quality</span></p><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: sans-serif; "> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: sans-serif; ">I understand the City of Brantford pulls all its water from the Grand after some treatment using coagulation, sedimentation, filtration and disinfection. This is basically the same thing as Manheim uses. Has anyone seen a recent study looking into the correlation between the percentage of the population using treated Grand Water and the cases of cancer? I think it would be premature to blame it all on the water of the Grand.</span></p><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: sans-serif; "> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: sans-serif; ">Randy</span></p><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: sans-serif; "> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div style="border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; border-top-width: 1pt; border-right-width: medium; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-width: medium; border-top-style: solid; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; "><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:all-bounces@gren.ca">all-bounces@gren.ca</a> [<a href="mailto:all-bounces@gren.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:all-bounces@gren.ca</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ginny Quinn<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>October-18-10 9:21 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Louisette Lanteigne;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:all@gren.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">all@gren.ca</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [All] Breast Cancer and Environmental causes</span></p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; ">Lulu It is my belief, more and more, that many of the cancers that are running rampant these days have very strong connections to the environment (that's why<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><strong>we're</strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>working so hard to draw attention to protecting the Environment), and also to the food additives we are subjected to eating, the additives to the soil our food is grown in , and the junk and meds and pills people carelessly flush down the toilet or down the sink: it all goes to the Grand which is the 20-25% supplier of our drinking water. And now with 4 litre toilets being promoted (and rewarded $$$ for being installed) it only follows that the concentration of all this harmful "stuff" is getting into our bodies at an increasingly<strong> concentrated</strong> rate. Yes we need to conserve water for certain but it would be interesting to see the differences in contaminate concentration over the last 10 years with the further concentration in lieu of dilution of the 'dirty' water . GREN and it's members and others will carry on protecting what we can and guarding our existing community wells and recharge areas, as in Doon South etc. Ginny.</p></div><div><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; ">PS Even the so called "Organic" veggies are subject to suspicion. I've been told one of the largest "organic farms " in the US is located right beside a very large airport.!!! HELLO. The so called "baby cut" carrots are sold as organic in some sections yet they are soaked in the 'preservative' to make them last 15-21 days I do NOT regard that as "Organic" as it has these additives. I do not buy "baby cuts" and have supported our kids in that the convenience is not worth the risk. AMEN </p></div><blockquote style="border-right-color: initial; padding-top: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 4pt; border-top-width: medium; border-right-width: medium; border-bottom-width: medium; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 5pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; "><div><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">----- Original Message -----</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: 0% 0%; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" title="butterflybluelu@rogers.com" ymailto="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=butterflybluelu@rogers.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Louisette Lanteigne</a></span></p></div><div><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">To:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" title="all@gren.ca" ymailto="mailto:all@gren.ca" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=all@gren.ca" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">all@gren.ca</a></span></p></div><div><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:47 PM</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[All] Breast Cancer and Environmental causes</span></p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><table class="yiv190362502MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding-top: 0cm; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><p class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; ">The State of Evidence report just published shows the links between environmental toxins and incidents of breast cancer.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.breastcancerfund.org/media/publications/state-of-the-evidence/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.breastcancerfund.org/media/publications/state-of-the-evidence/</a><br><br>According to the public health data, communities along the Grand RIver exhibit above the Ontario average for incidents of breast and prostate cancers and much of this is linked to endocrine disrupting chemicals found in pesticides, house hold products including BPA and flame retardants, pharmaceuticals in effluent etc.<br><br>Lulu</p></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="yiv190362502MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: serif; text-align: center; 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