<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Isn't this a great discussion. And I am beginning to see an argument starting to develop towards -- as with our lawns -- a provincial ban on the use of toxic synthetic chemicals in "modern" farming. Mayor Roth and other rural mayors, etc. will have to be led towards the light of human, animal and environmental health -- also for the good of their Souls (Opps, sorry John & Susan K. I just wish I could control my humour!)<div><br></div><div>Robert M.<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div><div>On 3-Mar-10, at 3:23 PM, Louisette Lanteigne wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 3/3/10, Louisette Lanteigne <i><<a href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com">butterflybluelu@rogers.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Louisette Lanteigne <<a href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com">butterflybluelu@rogers.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [All] Atrazine: Shocking new data regarding Canadian water levels.<br>To: "Susan Koswan" <<a href="mailto:dandelion@gto.net">dandelion@gto.net</a>><br>Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 3:22 PM<br><br> <div id="yiv664313962"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <div>According to the latest from the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, atrazine is currently being used in Corn (ensilage, field, seed and sweet), lowbush blueberries and triazine-tolerant canola (rapeseed). </div> <div> </div> <div><a href="http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/notes/atrazine.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/notes/atrazine.htm</a></div> <div> </div> <div>In our area farmers rotate their corn/soybean crops so that's probably how the link was made. Damages to soybeans from the previous corn crops shows in the leaves. </div> <div> </div> <div>Lulu :0)</div> <div><br>--- On <b>Wed, 3/3/10, Susan Koswan <i><<a href="mailto:dandelion@gto.net">dandelion@gto.net</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Susan Koswan <<a href="mailto:dandelion@gto.net">dandelion@gto.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [All] Atrazine: Shocking new data regarding Canadian water levels.<br>To: "'GREN'" <<a href="mailto:all@gren.ca">all@gren.ca</a>><br>Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 2:43 PM<br><br> <div class="plainMail">The latest report from OMAFRA is from 2004 reporting on 2003 pesticide<br>usage:<br><a href="http://www.agcare.org/File.aspx?id=752a4ce9-80d2-4287-822b-125e1f7a87b3" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.agcare.org/File.aspx?id=752a4ce9-80d2-4287-822b-125e1f7a87b3</a> The<br>report is more of an estimate because reporting is never 100%.<br><br>"Atrazine use in field corn was maintained at 80 percent of the 1998 usage,<br>at 499,000 kg. This<br>demonstrates that atrazine continues to be a required weed management tool<br>in field corn."<br><br>The herbicide of choice for the 2,000,000 acres of soybeans grown in Ontario<br>in 2003 was 861,983 kg. of glyphosate (GM Roundup Ready soybeans) with<br>second place going to metolachlor at 111,604 kg. Atrazine wasn't listed. <br><br>Genotoxic effects have also been observed in tadpoles exposed to<br>metolachlor. <br>Clements, C., Ralph, S.,Petras, M. (1997). Genotoxicity of select herbicides<br>on Rana catesbeiana tadpoles using alkaline single-cell gel DNA<br>electrophoresis (Comet) assay. Env. Mol. Mut. 29: 277-288.<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metolachlor" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metolachlor</a><br><br><br>Susan K<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="http://ca.mc883.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=all-bounces@gren.ca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">all-bounces@gren.ca</a> [mailto:<a href="http://ca.mc883.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=all-bounces@gren.ca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">all-bounces@gren.ca</a>] On Behalf Of jeff<br>stager<br>Sent: March-03-10 2:04 PM<br>To: Robert Milligan<br>Cc: <a href="http://ca.mc883.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=all@gren.ca" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">all@gren.ca</a><br>Subject: Re: [All] Atrazine: Shocking new data regarding Canadian water<br>levels.<br><br>There are some nuances to the point that atrazine is used on soy.<br>The short answer is that atrazine is not used on soy.<br>The long answer is that the report Loiusette is quoting was written 10+ <br>years ago. The product, now basically discontinued in favour of better <br>herbicides,, was from the family of "triazines".<br>atrazine---corn<br>cyanzine---corn (discontiued)<br>metribuzine---soy(discontinued)<br>simazine--tree nurseries<br><br>Robert Milligan wrote:<br>> Thanks Lulu. I didn't know it was also used for soya.<br>><br>> I too have been very concerned about atrazine and its toxic effects <br>> such as endocrine disruption -- with at least the sex organ changes <br>> you described below, <br>> see<br><a href="http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:_nfb1KO-jlQJ:www.pesticide.org/atr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:_nfb1KO-jlQJ:www.pesticide.org/atr</a><br>azine.pdf+atrazine+AND+insects&hl=en&gl=ca&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESigNc98LcTGm_d-<br>h4N7v4olgesVtzUaWTb6TLTT4j0uTo8zv1d7GoG7-MOExrc6A4FqYnFmiDKT-I6hTDt4ItOPXglA<br>UMFkukKVD6YS3zM934DmTT2wQckYnZ610bLmNaMqBbeA&sig=AHIEtbRTQccuLyAyP7PI-vZfPUR<br>rLms8IA <br>><br><<a href="http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:_nfb1KO-jlQJ:www.pesticide.org/at" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:_nfb1KO-jlQJ:www.pesticide.org/at</a><br>razine.pdf+atrazine+AND+insects&hl=en&gl=ca&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESigNc98LcTGm_d<br>-h4N7v4olgesVtzUaWTb6TLTT4j0uTo8zv1d7GoG7-MOExrc6A4FqYnFmiDKT-I6hTDt4ItOPXgl<br>AUMFkukKVD6YS3zM934DmTT2wQckYnZ610bLmNaMqBbeA&sig=AHIEtbRTQccuLyAyP7PI-vZfPU<br>RrLms8IA><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrazine" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrazine</a><br><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2362696/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2362696/</a>. <br>><br>><br>> Also I was just remarking to my wife how the insect populations -- <br>> inside & outside -- seem decimated! Endocrine disrupting atrazine <br>> again? (not enough studies)<br>><br>> Is it in our drinking water (let's fond a trustworthy lab in US to <br>> test for us.<br>><br><a href="http://datcp.state.wi.us/arm/agriculture/pest-fert/pesticides/atrazine/faq.j" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://datcp.state.wi.us/arm/agriculture/pest-fert/pesticides/atrazine/faq.j</a><br>sp<br>><br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/07/business/energy-environment/07water.html?_" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/07/business/energy-environment/07water.html?_</a><br>r=1 <br>><br>> Robert<br>><br>><br>> <br>> On 2-Mar-10, at 7:31 PM, Louisette Lanteigne wrote:<br>><br>>> Atrazine is used in corn and soya crops over the Moriane and all up <br>>> and down the Grand River.<br>>> <br>>> Shocking new data exposes the fact that male frogs exposed to <br>>> only HALF of Canada's current safety standards, not only changed sex, <br>>> when exposed to non exposed males, they will breed and produced <br>>> viable offspring. 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