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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Susan:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The question of how many years are in a generation
is in the root of yours. 10000/years in a generation = # of generations in
10000 years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG><U>1st answer</U></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We now have to consider how old a women
(girl,female) should be, must be or aught to be to become a mother.
Biologically the answer is based on fertilization of the egg plus 9
months. Fertilization of the egg requires ovulation. The youngest
age recorded for ovulation was 5 years old.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Doing the math and accepting the remote
possibility, and Murphy's Law, of consecutive generations of girls with the
same early ovulation ages then 5 years plus nine months = 5.75
years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
10000/5.75 years. = 1739.13 or 1739 because 0.13 generations
is not a whole number and cannot exist.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This would be the maximum number of generations
inside 10000 earth years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG><U>2nd answer</U></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am the middle generation of 5 still living.
My Grandmother was born in 1912 and her oldest great, great grand daughter was
born in 2001 for a difference of 89 years inclusive. Until my grand
daughter reaches the average age of her mothers. Then the generations will
have been 89/(5-1) = 22.25 years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> 10000/ 22.25
= 449 rounded down generations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG><U>other answer</U></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But wait - A recent article indicates that in
the future we will be living longer. Not as old farts but as young
people. By the year 2050 we (not you and me 'we' but people and
specifically special people) will have nanobots inside them modifying
genes, cells and organs and zapping dead and deceased cells. So
they may choose not have babies because there will be no rush. No
biological clock ticking away toward a point where the complications out weigh
the benefits; risk assessment. A generation could be hundreds of years
then the answer is much different.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What about artificial insemination? Or when
eggs and sperm are frozen and not conceived for centuries because people are
virtually living for ever. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A generation is made when 2 sexes of similar age
conceive and give birth to an offspring. If we keep polluting and
endocrine disruptors create a world of significantly more females than males
there may develop a situation where male sperm is banked and used to fertilize
females born decades or centuries in the future. The term generation would
take on a different meaning.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Randy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ps I was under the impression that the 7
generations was applicable to indigenous peoples of Canada and not to immigrants
or their descendents, like the rest of us. </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dandelion@gto.net href="mailto:dandelion@gto.net">Susan Koswan</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=all@gren.ca
href="mailto:all@gren.ca">'GREN'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:37
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [All] About - The Long Now</DIV>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hi
GRENers,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">A friend of mine
forwarded the link below to me this morning about the Long Now project – I’ve
had a bit of a look at it and it’s fascinating, particularly as
(coincidentally) my family was just watching a show on Discovery last night
about an astronomical water clock invented (?) created (?) by Su Song in China
in 1092 (that’s not a typo, it is 1092). <A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_Song">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_Song</A>.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">What I find charming
about Long Now is that they would write our current year as 02010 to
plan ahead for thinking in a 10,000 year time frame and avoid any computer
glitches like Y2K. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I challenge all of you to
figure out how many generations 10,000 years is. Maybe GREN needs to rethink
it’s 7 generations goal. 8-)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.longnow.org/about/">http://www.longnow.org/about/</A></SPAN>
<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>Susan K<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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