<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">FYI -- background re: <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; ">Michael Schmidt Verdict <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal; ">on Jan 21.</span></span><div><br></div><div>Robert</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">"Judith McGill" <<a href="mailto:jlmcgill@rogers.com">jlmcgill@rogers.com</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">January 20, 2010 8:16:46 AM GMT-05:00</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">"Judith McGill" <<a href="mailto:jlmcgill@rogers.com">jlmcgill@rogers.com</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>FW: interview</b></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="5" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 16pt; color: blue; ">Interview of Michael with Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">MS. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> After three years of uncertainty, tomorrow is decision day for you. Looking back, <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> What are the most significant memories of the last three years?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Michael.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> The awakening of people to the danger of loosing our food freedom. I have watched with amazement how people have taken on this issue passionately and whole heartedly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">MS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> You mean the raw milk issue?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> No, no, the issue of food freedom. The freedom to choose the food we as individuals think is good, is healing, is strengthening us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> I once had a talk with Sally Fallon about her book Nourishing Traditions, which sparked a food revolution beyond her or anybodies imagination. The timing was right, the need was there, and Sally’s intuition was there. We are on the verge of a massive change in regards to our relation ship to our food. This is not a rebellion this is a powerful evolution in the consciousness, to realize that food actually matters in relation to our spiritual development.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">MS<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> It comes to mind the term if you control the food, you control the people.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> Yes, at the moment most people think in terms of the physical control of food. I actually refer to the inner quality of food, which has an immense impact on our inner well-being which means spiritual well being and our mental awareness. The biggest danger we are facing is actually that the food we “allowed’ to eat is dead food, either through genetic manipulation or because of the way it is grown or processed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">MS<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> Getting back to the raw milk issue, why do you think this is, according to David Gumpert’s book, the driving force behind the emerging food rights battle on this Continent?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> I am trying to understand that myself. Personally I can relate to that without a problem. I have been a dairy farmer all my life and milk always played a central role in our bio-dynamic farm. Milk was never a commodity for me, Milk represented for me the magical transformation: from soil to grass to cow to milk. Milk is the ultimate reward of the art of Agri-culture. Milk is nourishment, milk is healing, milk is medicine but only if you do not destroy the inner qualities. Instinctively people can relate to milk as the central food item, which represents real nourishment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">MS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> You have been confronted with that issue for 16 years. You survived at least 5 Ministers of Agriculture and Food in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">Ontario</st1:state></st1:place>, and the same amount of Ministers of Health. You so far survived three different Governments, first the NDP under Bob Rea then the Conservatives under Mike Harris and now the Liberals under McGuinty, who was the best or worst.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> I think Government itself means nothing. It is the bureaucracy which survives most Governments and which calls the shots. There is so much mumble bumble going on that you have a really hard time taking them serious at all. I remember when Noble Villeneuve was asked right after he took on the agricultural portfolio in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">Ontario</st1:state></st1:place><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if he would look at the raw milk issue. He said “if people demand it, I will make sure that we address this issue. I had a one to one meeting with him 6 months later, he was already “told” what he can do and what he cannot do. At least the Conservatives turned a blind eye to the issue, which helped us to rebuild our farm. Do not forget that at the moment the only support we have are the Conservatives in the Ontario Parliament. Thanks to Bill Murdoch who tabled a private members bill to form a taskforce which would look into the raw milk issue.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">MS<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> How broad is the public support.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> It is immense. The raw milk issue has turned into a rights issue. It affects so many people, it is a property rights issue, which brought thousands of Ontario Landowners on our side. Thousands of farmers are on our side burdened by crippling regulations, consumers around the world are rallying for our cause and of course our core group of incredible devoted cow and farm share members. I think the support is much bigger than I can even imagine.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">MS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> The ruling is tomorrow, what do you expect?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> I have been asked this question so many times and every time I say at the end it does not matter. If you look at this issue as a process, which initiates change, than this ruling is only a stepping stone for further change. It is similar to the situation in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">Wisconsin</st1:state></st1:place>, where so many people came together and it propelled the raw milk movement to a different level of determination. It really did not matter, that the judge would not acknowledge Max Kane’s concerns. What mattered was, that this event was a galvanizing point. With Mark from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:state w:st="on">California</st1:state>, Tim from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on">Wisconsin</st1:place><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sally Fallon and David Gumpert and many, many more passionate activists, we become suddenly a force widely recognized and for sure feared. We all are in this out of a deep inner conviction to contribute something to this world, which goes beyond the bottom line philosophy. We feel we actually can change something for the better.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">MS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> You still did not say what you expect the outcome will be.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> If you are a pessimist then you expect the denial of our rights, which on the other hand will propel this movement even further into a strong presence.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> If you an Optimist than you hope for a ruling in our favour, which is good too. I decided that I can live with either one of them. The end result will be sooner or later the recognition of our inherent rights. The question to ask is; what are they going to do. Locking me up is political suicide and again will garner even more support. I have been in jail for another rights issue, I know what to expect. Fear is your worst enemy, courage your best friend. Let’s celebrate tomorrows ruling as a wonderful milestone in this important battle.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">MS<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> What lies ahead?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> The forming of Raw Milk Alliances across the country, the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on">United States</st1:country-region>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on">England</st1:country-region><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and soon<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">France</st1:country-region></st1:place>will raise more and more the awareness, that we have a real momentum for change. Corporate food politics versus local Agri-culture.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> It is all about the awareness for our future our children’s future and the future of our planet.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> Yes, as Farmers and Consumers united we will stand. We will always stand our ground<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">MS<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> Thanks Michael that you have taken the time to address these issues.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="text-indent: -27pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><br><br>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4789 (20100120) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.eset.com</a><br></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></div></span></blockquote></div></div></body></html>