<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Lulu,<div><br></div><div>Thank you for your response which I will keep confidential. However -- avoiding reading between the lines -- among other things, I simply can't see how you went from just a concern out of the blue (in your first email response to me?) for the faults of diesel fuels saying <b>"Diesel is VERY DANGEROUS and extremely harmful for the environment for the soot and cancers generated."</b> TO in your following email that included a copy of your email to the same LRT officials that I had just written to (and in the same order) -- plus to others -- saying <b>"</b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><b>In regards to the proposed Light Rail Transit system for Waterloo Region, I do not support the use of Diesel fuels because it is a major producer of soot which is the second highest contributor to climate change and contributes to various cancers as well.</b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><b>"</b> </span></span></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">First you talk about "diesel" in your email to me without indicating where this was coming from -- although I had mentioned <b>coincidently</b> diesel LRT in my quasi-confidential email to the LRT officials, but only in relation to track sharing problems. Then you send a letter to the same people+ that I had just corresponded with and suddenly <b>"diesel"</b> has <b>morphed</b> into <b>"diesel ... (for) ... </b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><b>the proposed Light Rail Transit system for Waterloo Region, ..."</b>. Where oh where did the <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; ">Light Rail Transit system for Waterloo Region <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal; ">come from?</span></span></span></span></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal; ">I must admit that our sub-conscious minds can work in mysterious ways! </span></span></span></span></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal; ">I guess I'm just one of those few crazy people who looks for reasonable explanations as to my people say certain things!! While your letter certainly had words in it -- whose presence I certainly appreciated -- their explanatory success seemed a little questionable.</span></span></span></span></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">I also have a concern that you sent a copy to that Dis-environmental Monster (and former Environment Minister) John Baird. I fear that you risked awakening his negative passions about LRT -- that he can express at cabinet meetings when our LRT funding is raised. He had so strongly used his vitriol to lead the attack against Ottawa's proposed LRT, <a href="http://thetyee.ca/News/2007/01/23/LightRail/">http://thetyee.ca/News/2007/01/23/LightRail/</a>. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Combine this with the fact that the National Post, the Conservative Party Bible for many, ran an attack article on LRTs recently,<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">"Rethinking Green: Save the environment: Don't take transit"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">, by a Kevin Libin, "<a href="http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=2314104">http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=2314104</a>".(Libin doesn't like buses but hates LRT more. His solution is no public transit but "more roads, and more efficient roads ..." and his "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">solutions for the small minority totally lacking other means<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">" include "car-pooling" with strangers and private little "Jitney buses", and <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">", subsidized Prius taxis, or even car subsidies, "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "> -- the rich in their limos of course. I wonder if he noticed the front page story on hyper traffic jams in the Toronto Star Thursday?) I predict that traffic jams will be the downfall of non-progressive Conservatives!</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; ">The Conservatives only very reluctantly gave money to Toronto's LRT. (I have been a member of the [Progressive] Conservative Party at various times -- along with the Liberls, NDP. & Greens. And even now they have some very evolved-thinking members like Kevin Thomason who I think is a really great person. But some of their people are just too mean-spirited and nasty -- I suspect that Scrooge or Count Dracula or The Hound of the Baskervilles are probably favourite movies.) </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></font></div><div><br></div><div>I am so much against diesel LRT tmyself -- and it was rejected by the Region for similar reasons. But it does have some advantages over "electric wire" LRT, especially the ability to run on existing CP & CN tracks so as to decrease the capital cost of LRT. If only there was a new but viable/practical cost-effective alternative "fuel/energy" propulsion system -- not likely Fuel Cells right now (and you have to carry a combustible fuel such as hydrogen or methane) -- that our LRT could use to run independently on the CP, CN, etc. tracks. I suggest there is such a proven propulsion system. Keep posted -- although I have given some significant clues.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div>Robert</div><div><br></div><div>PS1: I am also against farm diesel to run electrical generators that burn methane(?) -- but you and I were not talking about that! It might have been more relevant though.</div><div><div><br></div><div> PS2: We all need to be aware that every time we communicate, we may be create meanings in the recipient(s) beyond -- or even less than -- those which we intended, or said we intended.<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Robert Milligan <<a href="mailto:mill@continuum.org">mill@continuum.org</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">January 7, 2010 10:14:21 PM GMT-05:00</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Louisette Lanteigne <<a href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com">butterflybluelu@rogers.com</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Cc: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a href="mailto:all@gren.ca">all@gren.ca</a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: [All] Fw: Farm and Food Wastes to Fuel Cell Electricity for Municipalities</b></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Lulu,<div><br></div><div>I must commend your motivation to protect the health of at least all Canadians and our environment. Not unrelated, you show great initiative in dealing with our energy crises through farm waste, at least.</div><div><br></div><div>However, you appear to have <b>grossly misinterpreted</b> an email that I sent early this morning (2:22 AM) to important LRT officials (with a copy to yourself and some others who have expressed an interest in LRT)!! As the next email will show, It involved the CN & CP track sharing difficulties of a proposed diesel LRT system in BC. This did not <b> mean that I support diesel LRT for this Region or anywhere else</b>.</div><div><br></div><div>You did send me an email at 11:42 AM expressing your concern implying that I was supporting diesel LRT for the Region -- thank you for that. But before I could reply at 1:55 PM, you dashed off a letter to the same LRT officials -- and others including Provincial & Federal cabinet ministers -- arguing strongly against diesel LRT for Waterloo Region, when NOBODY THAT I KNOW IS ADVOCATING IT. But arriving at the doors of these LRT officials on the heel of my email does suggest that you had me in mind! Verify, verify, verify!!! (I was trained in the hard sciences.) Perhaps you made this inference because you couldn't conceive what else that I had in mind for a propulsion system -- no, it is nor fuel cells.</div><div><br></div><div>None of us likes to be in error but I for one need to know when I am in error so I can improve my knowledge of the World. So among other things, I try to avoid leaping to conclusions. <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; ">Why didn't you wait for my reply -- or have phoned me -- before communicating your diesel LRT concerns to various LRT officials, implying to them both: 1) that I was "stupidly" (with all of the obvious problems of diesel) advocating diesel LRT for Waterloo' Region, and 2) that I was sharing confidences with others (I like to share as much as possible & would hope that ideal not be undermined -- even subtley?) </span></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; ">The collaborative/cooperative forces impelling our important common causes should not be weakened by trivial or unsound responses and actions!!</span></div><div><br></div><div>Let's try to play the game at a higher level and not waste one of our most valuable resources -- Time.</div><div><br></div><div>Keep up your 99.9% good work Lulu -- but always be vigilant for the .1% !</div><div><div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div>Robert</div><div><br></div><div>PS:</div><div>Why does you below email (i:46 AM) have the "Subject: Farm and Food Wastes to Fuel Cell Electricity for Municipalities" yet the body</div><div>says only, "In regards to the proposed <b>Light Rail Transit system for Waterloo Region</b>, I do <b>not support the use of Diesel fuels</b> because it is a major producer of soot which is the second highest contributor to climate chIange and contributes to various cancers as well." If you said that you support a Regional LRT -- and other uses -- run by fuel cells charged by the hydrogen in methane produced by farm waste -- and would never support the crazy idea of diesel LRT (just in case the Region might be considering it even though</div><div>it was rejected as an option early on) -- for the reasons you stated, then your communication would have been more relevant to the topic! (I always try to use a little humour.)</div><div><br></div><div>Fuel cells appear far from being practical for most uses because of their still high cost, heaviness, use of rare metals, etc. But research may improve the situation -- and maybe I am not completely up to date. I do like the idea of methane from farm waste, be it for fuel cells or?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 7-Jan-10, at 2:06 PM, Louisette Lanteigne wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div>Hi folks</div> <div> </div> <div>Farms = food, water, carbon storage and carbon reduction and ELECTRICITY. By using food production and farm wastes as NON BURNING fuel sources to charge fuel cell electricity, we can improve water all over using technologies that are already in use in Renton Washington.</div> <div> </div> <div>Here's what I've sent the Ministries today. Have a good one.</div> <div> </div> <div>Lulu</div> <div><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 1/7/10, Louisette Lanteigne <i><<a href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com">butterflybluelu@rogers.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Louisette Lanteigne <<a href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com">butterflybluelu@rogers.com</a>><br>Subject: Fw: Farm and Food Wastes to Fuel Cell Electricity for Municipalities<br>To: "Gord Miller" <<a href="mailto:commissioner@eco.on.ca">commissioner@eco.on.ca</a>>, <a href="mailto:Sharon.Bailey@ontario.ca">Sharon.Bailey@ontario.ca</a>, <a href="mailto:Minister@ec.gc.ca">Minister@ec.gc.ca</a>, <a href="mailto:scarpf@parl.gc.ca">scarpf@parl.gc.ca</a>, <a href="mailto:DucepG@parl.gc.ca">DucepG@parl.gc.ca</a>, <a href="mailto:LaytoJ@parl.gc.ca">LaytoJ@parl.gc.ca</a>, "<a href="mailto:lminshall@grandriver.ca">lminshall@grandriver.ca</a>" <<a href="mailto:lminshall@grandriver.ca">lminshall@grandriver.ca</a>>, <a href="mailto:minister.moe@ontario.ca">minister.moe@ontario.ca</a>, <a href="mailto:dcansfield.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org">dcansfield.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org</a>, <a href="mailto:Dalton.McGuinty@premier.gov.on.ca">Dalton.McGuinty@premier.gov.on.ca</a>, <a href="mailto:john.tory@pc.ola.org">john.tory@pc.ola.org</a>, <a href="mailto:hhampton-qp@ndp.on.ca">hhampton-qp@ndp.on.ca</a><br>Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 2:01 PM<br><br> <div id="yiv525724818"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="position: static; z-index: auto; "> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <div>Dear Ministers</div> <div> </div> <div>Please review the following information in regards to how Canadian farmlands and food production companies can provide emission free energy solutions for municipalities using current existing fuel cell technologies. </div> <div> </div> <div>Ms. Minshall, please share this information with the Lake Erie Source Water Protection Committee. </div> <div> </div> <div>I believe if we were to effectively utilize farmlands for energy protection needs, it would be a wise long term investment in food security, air quality, carbon reduction and energy security. It would provide for a closed looped system for food and fuel needs and would dramatically improve upon water quality from recharge right to the Great Lakes. Please review the following information and please help secure the preservation of farmlands in order to protect and preserve key water resources including the Waterloo Moraine. </div> <div> </div> <div>Thank you kindly for your time.</div> <div> </div> <div>Louisette Lanteigne</div> <div>700 Star Flower Ave.</div> <div>Waterloo Ontario</div> <div>N2V 2L2</div> <div>519-885-7619</div> <div><br>--- On <b>Thu, 1/7/10, Louisette <span>Lanteigne</span> <i><<a href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com">butterflybluelu@rogers.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Louisette Lanteigne <<a href="mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com">butterflybluelu@rogers.com</a>><br>Subject: Farm and Food Wastes to Fuel Cell Electricity for Municipalities<br>To: "Chair Ken Seiling" <<a href="mailto:sken@region.waterloo.on.ca">sken@region.waterloo.on.ca</a>>, "Mayor Carl Zehr" <<a href="mailto:carl.zehr@kitchener.ca">carl.zehr@kitchener.ca</a>>, "MPPJohn Milloy" <<a href="mailto:jmilloy.mpp@liberal.ola.org">jmilloy.mpp@liberal.ola.org</a>>, "CAO Mike Murray" <<a href="mailto:wkaren@region.waterloo.on.ca">wkaren@region.waterloo.on.ca</a>>, <a href="mailto:jbradley.mpp@liberal.ola.org">jbradley.mpp@liberal.ola.org</a>, <a href="mailto:ldombrowsky.mpp@liberal.ola.org">ldombrowsky.mpp@liberal.ola.org</a>, <a href="mailto:dduncan.mpp@liberal.ola.org">dduncan.mpp@liberal.ola.org</a>, <a href="mailto:gphillips.mpp@liberal.ola.org">gphillips.mpp@liberal.ola.org</a>, <a href="mailto:spupatello.mpp@liberal.ola.org">spupatello.mpp@liberal.ola.org</a>, <a href="mailto:jwatson.mpp@liberal.ola.org">jwatson.mpp@liberal.ola.org</a>, <a href="mailto:braidp1@parl.gc.ca">braidp1@parl.gc.ca</a>, <a href="mailto:RitzG@parl.gc.ca">RitzG@parl.gc.ca</a>, <a href="mailto:BairdJ@parl.gc.ca">BairdJ@parl.gc.ca</a>, <a href="mailto:PrentJ@parl.gc.ca">PrentJ@parl.gc.ca</a><br>Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:46 PM<br><br> <div id="yiv1228610408"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="position: static; z-index: auto; "> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top"> <div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Honourable Ministers and Mayors, </span></div> <div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </span></div> <div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In regards to the proposed Light Rail Transit system for Waterloo Region, I do not support the use of Diesel fuels because it is a major producer of soot which is the second highest contributor to climate ch<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(20, 79, 174); font-size: 12px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; ">ange and contributes to various cancers as well. You may view the following web links for details regarding this:</span></span></div> <div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </span></div> <table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; PADDING-TOP: 0in" valign="top"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman"> </font><a href="http://www.catf.us/projects/diesel/dieselhealth/county.php?c=16077&site=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">http://www.catf.us/projects/diesel/dieselhealth/county.php?c=16077&site=0</font></a> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><a href="http://www.stopthesoot.org/dieselhealthconcerns.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">http://www.stopthesoot.org/dieselhealthconcerns.htm</font></a> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/mar/24/climatechange.fossilfuels" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font face="Times New Roman">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/mar/24/climatechange.fossilfuels</font></a> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">Diesel is also more costly to ship. </font><a href="http://www.ulpower.com/ul260i-qa-diesel.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">http://www.ulpower.com/ul260i-qa-diesel.htm</font></a> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">Currently in Japan , bio fuel is being reclaimed to run their public transit systems. </font> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><a href="http://www.japanfs.org/en/pages/029569.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">http://www.japanfs.org/en/pages/029569.html</font></a> </div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/mar/24/climatechange.fossilfuels" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">I contacted the Grand River Transit (GRT) about this and here is the response I received. </font> </div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">_____________________________________________________________</font> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">Hi Louisette<br><br>Thank you for the suggestion that you have provided to GRT.<br>At this time Grand River Transit has no plans for using used cooking oil,<br>or Bio diesel in our Fleet.<br>We have evaluated this initiative a few times over the years and have<br>concluded that there would be no benefit at this time.<br>We do not have any of the infrastructure in place to process the oil.<br>There are a number of companies that are in this industry. The largest is<br>Rothsay, a division of Maple Leaf.<br>They have contracts with a large number of restaurants and processing<br>plants to purchase this oil. They also have a refinery in Montreal .<br>If you have any questions or concerns, please let me know.<br><br>Randy Steckly<br>Manager, Transit Fleet<br>Grand River Transit<br></font><font face="Times New Roman">250 Strasburg Rd<br>Kitchener ON N2E 3M6<br>(519) 585-7597 ext 7205<br>(519 585-7640 fax<br>__________________________________________________________</font> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">In light of the feedback from Mr. Steckly, I contacted Rothsay's research centre in Guelph regarding the concept of oil to fuel products. It's certainly a concept worth researching, especially when you consider the fact that Waterloo Region is the second largest food belt in Ontario . We have an abundance of raw materials to work with.</font> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">According to this PDF presentation by Grand River Conservation Authority's Peter Emerson, in 2005 (slide 24 of 37) we had 290,000 head of cattle in the Grand River Watershed, producing waste materials equal to the population of 5 million people. 500,000 pigs added waste equal to 1.8 million and 8.8 million chickens added enough waste for 800,000 people. </font> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><a href="http://www.grandriver.ca/WaterForum/Emerson.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">http://www.grandriver.ca/WaterForum/Emerson.pdf</font></a> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">If we were to implement bio fuel recovery from both food and farm production and allocate it into a project similar to what is happening currently in Renton Washington , we could actually provide a renewable source of localized electricity without emissions. The system takes bio fuels and transfers the energy into a fuel cell battery without any burning. To view this technology as shown on a video produced by MSNBC, please visit here:</font> </div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335635/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335635/</font></a> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">To view the official site of the fuel cell manufacturer who built Renton 's system, visit here:<span> </span></font><a href="http://www.fuelcellenergy.com/wastewater-treatment.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">http://www.fuelcellenergy.com/wastewater-treatment.php</font></a> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">To view the Canadian Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Association visit here:</font> </div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><a href="http://www.h2fcc.ca/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#800080" face="Times New Roman">http://www.h2fcc.ca/</font></a> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">To implement conversion of bio fuels to fuel cell electricity in our area would be very beneficial towards protecting the water quality of the Grand River and Lake Erie. Currently our phosphate levels in the Grand River are 26 times above the MOE recommended levels. By implementing this program it can help keep our rivers and recharge areas cleaner . In my view it is a gold mine waiting to be tapped into. It would benefit our local farming communities and protect these valuable lands by increasing their net worth. Active farms are needed for food production and long term food security and by increasing the worth of the natural capital services provided we can increase the land values of the properties themselves. If <span> </span>more economic worth given to farmlands, the better we can protect these key resources for the long term. Protection of farmlands means the protection of air, water food AND energy resources. This sort of value must be allocated as soon as possible. Since the 1950's Central Ontario has paved over 49% of it's prime farmland to accomidate the expansion of the Greater Toronto Region. If we don't change this trend will will lose our ability to protect this key resources. Development pressures on the recharge areas for the Grand River Watershed are continuing to pose serious risks to the long term viability of our water supply and this puts our municipalities and agricultural industries at risk. Our area s planning on establishing a </font><font face="Times New Roman">1.2 Billion pipeline option to Lake Erie to provide for future water needs. That doesn't include the funding for the energy required to pump, treat or transport the water. </font> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"> </p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">Farm and food production wastes are a renewable resource material and it provides a localized closed looped system for both food and fuel production while sustaining crops that help absorb carbon emissions. The more farm and food production wastes we can divert from the Grand River and landfills, the better for the water, air quality and our energy needs. It's a win win no matter how you look at it. If this can be the choice fuel supply for our future Light Rail Transit system, all the better!</font> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">On another note regarding public transit, I came across a report titled, "An Assessment on the Impact of Harmonized Sales Tax on Municipal Public Transit Services" produced by London Transit on behalf of the Ontario Transit Association. It's posted on line here at: </font><a href="http://www.octa.on.ca/downloads/submissions/Impact_of_HST_on_Municipal_Transit_Services_Amended_Final.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font face="Times New Roman">http://www.octa.on.ca/downloads/submissions/Impact_of_HST_on_Municipal_Transit_Services_Amended_Final.pdf</font></a> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">I wasn't sure if you've seen it but since the tax came into effect so quickly I thought it would be a handy document to pass along. We have to factor in those costs with the equation. Currently only 78% of the PST portion of the HST is refundable for municipalities.</font> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">Thank you kindly for your time.</font> </div><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">Louisette Lanteigne</font> </div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">700 Star Flower Ave.</font> </div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">Waterloo Ontario<br>N2V 2L2</font> </div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><font face="Times New Roman">519-885-7619</font> </div><div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table>_______________________________________________<br>All mailing list<br><a href="mailto:All@gren.ca">All@gren.ca</a><br><a href="http://gren.ca/mailman/listinfo/all_gren.ca">http://gren.ca/mailman/listinfo/all_gren.ca</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>All mailing list<br><a href="mailto:All@gren.ca">All@gren.ca</a><br>http://gren.ca/mailman/listinfo/all_gren.ca<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>