<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Good points Susan & Jeff,<div><br></div><div>But here is a new (unknown) source of methane from cities as written up in a New Scientist article: <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(130, 123, 94); font-family: arial; font-size: 19px; font-weight: bold; ">Mystery methane belched out by megacities</span><br><div><div><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17479-mystery-methane-belched-out-by-megacities.html">http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17479-mystery-methane-belched-out-by-megacities.html</a>. Could the world economic recession be forcing more people to eat beans?</div><div>Is there an opportunity here for the invention of methane capturing devices for both cows</div><div>(double capture version) and humans? (Personally, I don't eat beans, but I do have a</div><div>f*rting frequency which will probably increase as I eat a higher proportion of vegetables --</div><div>and there is no way I will accept being vaccinated.)</div><div><br></div><div>With a slight element of seriousness,</div><div><br></div><div>Robert</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 21-Sep-09, at 7:55 AM, Susan Koswan wrote: </div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Good points, Jeff.<br><br>I'm not cow-bashing here, but FYI we also need to take into account what is<br>coming out the front end of the cow too. 8-)<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belching">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belching</a><br><br>Many other mammals, such as cattle, dogs, and sheep also burp. In the case<br>of ruminants, the gas expelled is actually methane produced as a byproduct<br>of the animal's digestive process. Anaerobic organisms such as Escherichia<br>coli (E. coli) and methanogenic archaea produce this effect. An average cow<br>is thought to emit between 542 litres (if located in a barn) and 600 litres<br>(if in a field) of methane per day through burping and exhalation, making<br>commercially farmed cattle a major contributor to the greenhouse effect. 95%<br>of this gas is emitted through belching.[7] This has led scientists at the<br>Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation of Perth,<br>Australia, to develop an anti-methanogen vaccine to minimize methane in<br>cattle burps.[8]<br><br>Susan K<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: all-bounces@gren.ca [mailto:all-bounces@gren.ca] On Behalf Of jeff<br>stager<br>Sent: September-21-09 12:14 AM<br>To: Louisette Lanteigne<br>Cc: all@gren.ca<br>Subject: Re: [All] Part II GRCA watershed forum<br><br>Hi<br>I'm glad to read your notes from the forum. Thank you.<br>Just reading over the part about the waste from 1 cow equaling the waste <br>from 10 people.<br>I believe its one cow plus a calf up to 3 months old. And it is true <br>that human waste is 1/10 of the waste of that animal unit because the <br>gross live weight of a human is also 1/10 of the gross live weight of <br>the same animal unit.<br>The problem is that their is no accounting for the waste produced by <br>humans for washing clothes, bathing. cooking, washing the car, lawn <br>watering,,, and all those other things people do and animals don't. <br>That's because the metric you quoted is limited to only the weight of <br>the feces and urine, and not to the all the wastes that humans create <br>and animals do not.<br>You can make your own estimate of how much water you use above and <br>beyond what is needed regarding feces and urine production.<br>It is erroneous to suggest that one cow animal unit creates the same <br>amount of waste as 10 people if one doesn't consider the weights of all <br>the wastes produced.<br>jeff stager<br><br>Louisette Lanteigne wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi folks<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Part II of the Grand River Watershed Forum minutes are in the <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">attachment. It is the last page of the summery I've drafted.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">For the other GREN members who were at the meeting, feel free to email <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">me at butterflybluelu@rogers.com <mailto:butterflybluelu@rogers.com> <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to give me the missing bits and I can tuck them in there to provide a <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">revised copy at the next GREN meeting.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The GRCA will be posting the power point presentations as well as /The <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Grand/: Fall 2009 edition on the GRCA's official website in the near <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">future. /The Grand/ elaborates further on the topics discussed by GRCA <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">staff during the forum and is well worth the read. 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